TN: '01 Crozes Hermitage Cave coop de Tain

Feb 25, 2004 11 Replies

Coincidentally after the recent discussion around Cherie's trip, (which I didn't participate in as I wasn't around, but where she got lots of useful advice to which I will only add: go to Cornas, visit Marcel Juge, it's right on the Place), Adele brought a bottle of this home from the supermarket. Price 5¤79, fair enough I suppose, given the usual available range of coop wines (Rasteau, Vacqueyras, Beumes de Venise, Visan) there.



Nose a little over-ripe, maybe even oxydized, simple and plummy. In the mouth an immediate impression of meat and lard, followed by the usual dark fruit, a little pepper, smoke. Decent length, it went well with a papillote de veau stuffed with smoked ham and dried tomatoes. All in all a classic enough Crozes, if a little thin and undistinguished, at a reasonable price.



As is well known in this forum I'm no great fan of the coop at Tain, as I consider their production a little but ho-hum. But I do agree that it's a good place to get an introduction to the various wines of the northern rhone. (Also it's not very typical of the usually warm and friendly tasting experience of the Rhone Valley...)



Off topic: Dale, happened to listen to a recording of Gary Hoffman playing the Shostakovitch Op 40 over dinner. Less heavy handed than he can be at times, nicely done I thought. I wonder if Betsy plays this, or if she's heard the Hoffman version?



cheers,


-E


[] ] went well with a papillote de veau stuffed with smoked ham and ][]

er, I mean paupillette, I guess! What was I drinking, anyway? :)

-E

Emery Davis wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@address.com:

All in all a classic enough Crozes, if a little thin

And I drink all of it I can get! Perhaps because at @10USD it is close enough to the 20+USD product from Jaboulet that is the only other one I can get regularly.

You are right about the warmth, or lack thereof, it is more like a CA tasting room, but they pour from a wide variety. One does miss the personal touch, the "Oooh if you like that one, just a minute I have something here, aaah there she is a 1990 "cuvee better than _____" YOu must taste this wine!

Three weeks to France! alas for a wedding, but wait there is wine at dinner, non?

er, paupiette...

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France email link

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] On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:05:42 +0100, Emery Davis ] wrote: ] ] >On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:45:36 +0100, Emery Davis said: ] >

] >[] ] >] went well with a papillote de veau stuffed with smoked ham and ] >][] ] >

] >er, I mean paupillette, I guess! What was I drinking, anyway? :) ] ] er, paupiette... ] ] Mike ] ]

Shaddup, Mike. :) I just read the post and was about to kill and correct it, again.

Sigh, there really are such days... P-A-U-P-I-E-T-T-E !!! The first was a slip of the tongue, at least I managed to spell it right. Now you see why I'm an infrequent poster on frbv.

-E

Hi Emery

sorry, I couldn't find any gross mistakes, so I decided to bug with with some stooopid mispelling. ;-)))

Mike

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I've usually found the co-op Crozes to be a good (though never outstanding) version of the appelation; most of the attraction is that it's usually cheaper than any other Crozes (and offers more character most years than the Jaboulet Jalets bottling or Delas Freres).

Is Op. 40 a sonata or a concerto? I forgot which work you mentioned, but asked her last night re Hoffman. She hadn't heard any new recordings by him , but did say that he plays upon a truly gorgeous instrument (it used to belong to Leonard Rose, her old teacher).

Best,

Dale

Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply

] I've usually found the co-op Crozes to be a good (though never outstanding) ] version of the appelation; most of the attraction is that it's usually cheaper ] than any other Crozes (and offers more character most years than the Jaboulet ] Jalets bottling or Delas Freres). ]

Did you get a chance to try (or anyone else) the '98 coop Hermitage? Just stumbled across a bottle in the cellar, must have been a gift from someone. Not planning on opening soon obviously, just wondering.

] >Off topic: Dale, happened to listen to a recording of Gary Hoffman ] >playing the Shostakovitch Op 40 over dinner. Less heavy handed ] >than he can be at times, nicely done I thought. I wonder if Betsy ] >plays this, or if she's heard the Hoffman version? ] >

] >

] ] Is Op. 40 a sonata or a concerto? I forgot which work you mentioned, but asked ] her last night re Hoffman. She hadn't heard any new recordings by him , but did ] say that he plays upon a truly gorgeous instrument (it used to belong to ] Leonard Rose, her old teacher). ] A sontata. Yes, it's Rose's Amati, I believe. It is indeed a wonderful instrument. Betsy studied with Rose, eh? Good stuff.

-E

Thanks for the advice! Nice to meet you, Emery.

-Cherie

Does it just say Hermitage? Seems to me I remember that they often have 2 bottlings (one is Belle Rives or the like)? I have liked some of their Hermitages- for the price - before. Never going to mistake for JL Chave, but sometimes they're priced closer to a top Crozes. But don't remember tasting a '98.

Well, it was at end of his career, and he might not have been at his best. Her real mentor was Paul Katz of the Cleveland.

best, Dale

Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply

Indeed they they offer two versions of Hermitage: "standard" cuvee called "Nobles Rives" and Cuvee Prestige called "Gambert de Loche" (with this name printed on the label below the large Hermitage name).

] On 26 Feb 2004 19:22:17 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.comdamnspam (Dale Williams) ] wrote: ] ] >In article , Emery Davis ] > writes: ] >>

] >Does it just say Hermitage? Seems to me I remember that they often have 2 ] >bottlings (one is Belle Rives or the like)? I have liked some of their ] >Hermitages- for the price - before. Never going to mistake for JL Chave, but ] >sometimes they're priced closer to a top Crozes. But don't remember tasting a ] >'98. ] >

] Indeed they they offer two versions of Hermitage: "standard" cuvee ] called "Nobles Rives" and Cuvee Prestige called "Gambert de Loche" ] (with this name printed on the label below the large Hermitage name). ]

Hi, thanks for that. Mine just says Hermitage, no mention of rives, nobles or ignobles. Have you had this '98, Jacek?

-E

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