TN: Airplane Wines

Jan 09, 2006 12 Replies

AIRPLANE WINES - A JAL flight (1/9/2006)



On a flight to HK. With airline food, culminating in one of those grey, steamed steaks. Blech!! Actually, a cold lobster terrine wasn't half-bad. Why don't they learn and do a cold food plate?


*N.V. Piper-Heidsieck Champagne Brut - France, Champagne*

Very light straw yellow, almost watery at edge. Mousse closer to pétillant than to mousseaux. Simple nose of toast and sweetish white fruit. Palate has a slightly yeasty apple/pear fruit with a little leesiness on the brief finish. Good acid, in balance, but not much of real interest here.


*2004 Labouré-Roi Chablis - France, Burgundy, Chablis*

Slightly darkish yellow. Clean but not particularly bright. Minerally nose of light tart white fruit. Not much else on the nose. Bright acid and mineral on slightly dilute apple/grapefruit palate. Picks up a little bit of weight with time in glass. Citrus fruit and acid sustains a reasonably long finish. My first '04 Chablis. If this negoc version of a simple Chablis is indicative, I'm going to like the vintage. Good for what it is.


*2003 Château de la Croix Cuvée la Grave - France, Bordeaux, Médoc*

Deep inky young-wine purple. Plum, restrained bit of oak, noticeable alcohol on nose. Ripe raspberry and currant fruit on entry, once the quickly receding tannins abate. A little thin in the middle with some plummy merlot fruit. Decent acid gives the finish a bit of unexpected brightness. Dense, a little rustic, but not too bad to a guy who generally doesn't appreciate young Bordeaux. Not something to seek out or buy, but better than much airplane wine.



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(Btw, even if it's watery, it's still mouss_eu_x.)

Was that from a 750ml bottle or one of these lousy miniatures?

M.

Food on a plane--what a neat idea,

Last few flights all my rati>

] "Jim" wrote: ] ] > *N.V. Piper-Heidsieck Champagne Brut - France, Champagne* ] > ] > ... Mousse closer to pétillant than to mousseaux. ... ] ] (Btw, even if it's watery, it's still mouss_eu_x.) ]

I've often wondered if bubbly is _really_ less bubbly on a plane, and assumed this is a bad place to test the mousse. Assuming the quite low pressure would make a difference, perhaps.

-E

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I'd guess the lower pressure would really bring out the bubbles. After all, in the high pressure of the bottle there are just no bubbles at all... Anders

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] ] "Emery Davis" skrev i melding ] news: snipped-for-privacy@loki.domain.org... ] > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:21:30 +0100 ] > Michael Pronay wrote: ] >

] > ] "Jim" wrote: ] > ] ] > ] > *N.V. Piper-Heidsieck Champagne Brut - France, Champagne* ] > ] >

] > ] ] > ] (Btw, even if it's watery, it's still mouss_eu_x.) ] > ] ] >

] > I've often wondered if bubbly is _really_ less bubbly on a ] > plane, and assumed this is a bad place to test the mousse. ] > Assuming the quite low pressure would make a difference, ] > perhaps. ] >

] > -E ] >

] I'd guess the lower pressure would really bring out the bubbles. After all, ] in the high pressure of the bottle there are just no bubbles at all... ] Anders ]

You have a point Anders! And of course, water boils at low temperature in a vacuum... :) Actually I expressed myself poorly. Was trying to get at the size of the bead, and amount of mousse, rather than the amount of carbonation.

To self: post before dinner... (an OK only Luberon, but with Adele on the wagon I probably had a glass too many! /: )

-E

Correct you are. Thanks for the correction. And I'm always impressed by puns made in a non-native language. Congrats.

This was not one of those awful miniatures. Was a 750.

Jim

Sorry for late reply. I'm just back from HK and once again have access to AFW.

I've wondered about the bubbles in the air as well. Makes sense that the mousse would be more vigorous with lower pressure. Only think I can think is that the bottle went flattish faster than it would in higher pressure. I didn't have the wine when I first got on the plane, but several hours into the flight. Only saw one or two people drinking Champers, so it may have been that the bottle was opened for them at start of flight and I got the remainders. Given that there is only a certain amount of dissolved CO2, there must be a crossover point (function of time open and air pressure) at which the effervescence will be less than at sea level. Have no idea when that would be.

I can tell you this for sure: The wine showed less effervescence than the average Champagne.

Unscientifically yours,

Jim

"Jim" wrote in news:1137826314.835167.53510 @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

When I was in high school I would sometimes have lunch with a friend. "Should I make 1 lunch or 2?" was a common question in the morning. One morning she asked that and I responded "Can you make 3? I'm having a mange a trois."

Fred.

Thank you very much indeed. And in this case there were even two non-native languages involved. (Being an Austian, my mother tongue is German).

M.

It very well might be that this particular bottle had several flights behind it. This, in combination with a less-than perfect cork could also be the cause of pressure loss.

In my expereince with champagne on board - a few years back more often than today when you cannot even buy champagne on Air France flights within Europe - did not taste particularly less effervescent than on ground level. But I had my share of less effervescent, slightly oxidized wine, almost all from miniatures.

M.

I was aware that your native tongue is German, but I did not realize that you are an Austian. I did not even realize that Austians spoke German. In fact, where is Austia? And how did you learn so much about Aust_r_ian wine if you don't live there?

Sorry, it's a rare moment when one can gently poke one of your ribs.

Jim

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