TN: Burgundy rose, and wines with semi-Indian food

Jan 08, 2007 7 Replies

Friday Betsy made a salmon "japonaise" from an old Pierre Franey cookbook. Usually I go with PN and salmon, but though a red might not be best with a fried dish. A compromise- the 2005 Domaine Bart Marsannay Rosé. Light-bodied, lively acidity, pure strawberry fruit. Maybe a little short and without a lot of depth, but what do you want in a $11 rosé? Nice match, nice if simple little wine. B



Saturday we were invited out for a friend's birthday dinner. Plans were for a bistro we like, but when the husband of birthday girl called for a reservation, the bistro was hesitant to take a group of 10, saying short-staffed. As that place is a bit slow, Jim called and told us they had decided on an Indian fusion place, Zafran in Yonkers. Betsy and I tried to recall our one meal there, a couple years before. I finally said " oh yeah, I think we liked, but am I right - no alcohol license?" I called, confirmed, and alerted Jim. He said he's bring Champagne and beer, I would bring red and white. Birthday crisis averted. The wines:



NV Nicolas Feuillatte Brut Champagne Another disappointing showing of what I used to think of as a value Champagne. Somewhat flat mouthfeel, coarse texture, anonymous white fruit. C+



NV Bollinger "Special Cuvee" Brut Champagne I generally prefer the lighter-styled houses a la Taittinger, but this is a nice example of a fuller style. Toasty, with full apple pie flavors, good length. B+


2005 Breton "Franc de Pieds" Bourgueil Spicy dark berry fruit, this is fun. Bright and lively, nice length and depth, gets more spicy/peppery as evening goes on. B+/A-


2001 Dr. F. Weins-Prüm Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Kabinett I've had not such great experiences with Weins-Prum, so rather low expectations, but thought a little sweetness might contrast well with the food for a non-geeky crowd. This was actually a bit of a nice surprise, good lime zest over apple fruit, rather broad texture (more Spätlese than Kabinett), decent length. Just a hint of petrol dancing around. Nice if not profound. B+



Nice night with good people, fun discussions of mandolins, life in Beijing, "Wine and War", Robert Bly, and more. I liked appetizers ( a combination of traditional samosas & pakoras, plus pastry wrapped samosas, pastry tandoori shrimp, tandoori Tuscan Chicken) more than main courses as a whole (I found lamb vindaloo not spicy enough, saag dishes a little disappointing - they use olive oil, bring back the ghee!).



Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.


Do you think this will benefit from further aging? I have but a single bottle (case filler from CSW) and wonder how soon I should pop the cork.

That sounds like a fun night. I got "Wine and War" from Jean for Xmas, along with "Heat" and Bourdain's latest, so I'll be able to participate in further discussions in a half-year or so (the to-read queue is even longer than the to-drink queue is).

Mark Lipton

I think it would be good for a year or two, but think it was synthetic cork. Sooner rather than later is my plastic theory.

I mostly liked Heat. Some great vignettes.There were parts that were redundant, and occasionally it did read like a collection of articles, but mostly quite interesting. One day I want to drag a pig carcass into a Manhattan co-op.

"Wine and War" was iffier. Some great stories. But very poorly edited, there is repetition and little sense of flow. I also felt that there could have been more hard reporting. Authors seemed a bit gullible (every sale of a poor bottle of wine was an act of resistance, folks forced into joining Nazi party, etc). But it's worth reading if only for the story about the wine dinner that Gaston Huet and other prisoners of war put together in a stalag.

Agreed with Ed R. re Bourdain.

How do you manage to accumulate detailed notes on the wines you drink. Do you take contemporaneous notes? Do you have a prehensile memory that allows such specific recall? Do you discuss the wines as an aid to recall?

I would never be able to remember 3 or 4 wines so precisely after a night of drinking, and I'd be self-conscious scribbling notes in a restaurant or, especially, in someone else's house. If I like a wine, I can usually remember the main reason(s) why, but not to your degree. I'm curious about the process you use.

Reminds me of a great quote by Bert Sugar, the boxing writer, I heard on the radio (ok, a podcast of a radio broadcast): I'd rather be a good liver than have one.

At real wine-centric dinners with my usual groups I take notes as we go.

At occasions like this- dinner with friends, me the only geek, I usually don't. In this case, 4 wines, all of which I had expectations for, not hard to remember how they matched- or didn't- expectations. I've written notes for wines for quite a few years- if you know you're going to write up notes, your brain puts thoughts aside.

On occasion I go to a non-geek event, where there are many many wines. In those cases I usually stop and take quick notes on 4-5 wines at a time.

cheers,

"DaleW" wrote in news:1168311717.604474.21350@

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And, don't you think that there is a difference between both methods?

I mean, I also attend lunches and dinners and take notes. But, then, when I comment them with friends over the internet, I usually re-adjust my perceptions. Like I need some time to make my judgement.

S.

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