TN: Cava and Rioja

Sep 22, 2003 9 Replies

Last night we took some friends to dinner. It was a pleasant night, so we chose to eat outside at Solera in Irvington, the Westchester branch of a nice NYC Spanish place. We enjoyed the breeze off the river with an assortment of hot & cold tapas -stuffed piquillo pepper, sauteed wild mushrooms in garlic, poached octopus with olive oil paprika, variety of cold seafood and vegetable salads, chicken croquettas, more. Ordered a bottle of Cava to accompany the tapas, a '99 Juve y Camps Reserva de la Familia, but they were out. Instead we got another cava, the NV Marques de Gelida Brut (Penedes). Good acidity, just a hint of yeast, apple and nut flavors. On the sweet side for Brut, but a pleasant match for the assorted tapas (but at $28 a bit overpriced for a wine that probably retails for $6-7). B/B-



I ordered a rib-eye with a chimichurri sauce, sautéed "Catalan" spinach, and haricots verts. I seldom send food back, but when you order meat rare and only in the exact center is there any sign of pink....I summoned the waiter, he took one look and scurried to replace. Meanwhile I had some of Betsy's lamb chops (appropriately medium-rare). With our main courses we had the 1999 Remelluri (Rioja). Sweet toasty oak nose (though not at all overoaked), with some herb and spice notes. Medium-bodied, balanced acidity. Fairly rich palate of red berry fruit with a underpinning of spice. Not really as vanilla-ey as a lot of Riojas seem. Decent QPR if retails around $18-20 ($45 on list). B/B+



BTW, when my steak was brought out second time, it was perfect.



With a cheese plate (cabrales, manchego, and idiazabal) I enjoyed the last sips of the Rioja along with a glass of Taylor Fladgate 20-year-old Tawny Port. Intense flavors of dried red fruit, with a little orange peel and caramel. Really quite good. B+



A good meal that I quite enjoyed, with excellent company. Small bitching moment- I rounded up from the 18% figure printed on the CC receipt (which was reasonably generous,as we had to flag waiter several times). I noticed today that my tip was 20%- on inspection, they obviously figure the 15%, 18%, and 20% guidelines from the with-tax total. The difference was only $3, it's not really the money, I just find that's pushing it.



Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre at best. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Dale



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Appropiate matches could also have been:

A rosé from Navarrra for the stuffed piquillo pepper (tipical from Navarra). A Ribeiro or a Rias Baixas for the poached octopus with olive oil and paprika (actual name is "pulpo a la gallega"). BTW, watch out the 2002 vintage of D.O. Ribeiro, D.O. Valdeorras and D.O. Rias Baixas because the quality is amazing.

With our main courses we had the 1999 Remelluri (Rioja).

Suggested retail price in Spain is about 12 eur.

I wonder how the Cabrales matched with the Rioja. Next time you could try a good Pedro Ximenez, or even a sweet red such as Olivares Dulce (a sweet red from mourvedre) from D.O. Jumilla or a Dolc de Mendoza (sweet red from D.O. Alicante) with the cheeses. Alvear has just released a vintage P.X. called "P.X de añada" which is not as dense or sweet as typical P.X. and it is worth trying. Best,

Santiago

Thanks for the suggestions. I actually chose the cava because (a) one of our guests likes sparkling wine especially & (b) we were getting such a wide variety of hot and cold tapas (an assortment they chose)

BTW, watch out the 2002

Noted, thanks!

I actually didn't try that, I saved the cabrales for the port (dry red and blue is a combo I do NOT generally like).

I had the 2000 Alvear P.X de Añada, quite good - good fig flavors. Usually my problem with PX sherry is the same problem I have with those Aussie solera type stickies- the intense sweetness and low acidity mean I like the first sip, but by sip number 3 I'm ready to stop.

Thanks for the ideas, dale Dale

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snipped-for-privacy@aol.comdamnspam (Dale Williams) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m15.aol.com:

Bitch away that *is* pushing it - complain to your credit card issuer (get a chargeback if need be). You didn't (at the time) agree to the charge, so dispute it.

Just think, $3 x 100 covers (that's a guestimate - I have no idea how big the place is) is a lot extra money they seem to be creaming off the top.

No, I did agree. I'm referring to the "tipping guide" that prints at the bottom of charge reciept some places. It listed 18% as $44.29 , I actually tipped slightly more than that to round out. But their guide was including tip. I actually faxed a letter to restaurant this afternoon.

Dale

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Dale wrote,

I don't know if they get distributed in the United States, but Agustí Torelló Mata and, specially, Raventós i Blanc, make my favorite cavas. My absolute favorite is Raventós i Blanc Gran Reserva Personal 1997 which is truly magnificent for a Cava. Retails here at 18 eur. Agustí Torelló Mata Brut Reserva (green label) is also a very nice and fresh product. Retails here at 7-9 eur.

It is a combo I can't stand and so I was asking.

I understand what you mean. Don't you think that the Alvear de Añada is somewhat softer than those aged for decades?

Next time, try to find a bottle of Olivares Dulce Tinto or Dolc de Mendoza. They will surprise you I think.

Best,

Santiago

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I agree. It's amazing how "off" some places cook red meat. I too order rare expecting m-rare, and send it back if it's hardly still pink.

Yum.

Sounds delicious. I wonder if you've had the "el Coto" Crianza '98 Rioja. Just curious, I have a half bottle I've not opened, and haven't had many Riojas.

I'm also curious to try some decent tawny ports. You seemed to like this

20 y/o Taylor. I'd been limiting myself to LBV because of cost/quality considerations. The 10 year Taylor tawny is about 20 bucks, that's ok, but the 70 and $120 is TOO MUCH.

snipped-for-privacy@aol.comdamnspam (Dale Williams) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m02.aol.com:

Sorry, I mis-read your original post. I thought you had said "I rounded-up the 18% total [to a nice round number]" and they had then rounded-up the number you had written to the 'next level' (i.e. 20%).

I now think you mean that the restaurant was just being a bit cheeky (tipping on top of the tip?).

Sorry for the confusion - I've only been to the US once, and somebody else was paying! (and perhaps tipping is a bit more complicated than in Europe - which in itself is by no means a uniform process!!)

Don't know el Coto, but in general Crianza drink well young.

In this case the price difference by glass was $1.50. between 10 & 20. Just be aware that tawny is very different from LBV, which tries to emulate VP. I like good example of each,but they're very dissimilar.

Dale

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Try Trevor Jones from Australia. It's about $40 per bottle and better than almost anything you'll find from Portugal, believe it or not.

Dimitri

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