TN Chateau Gruaud-Larose 1961

Thanks for the notes. I'm organizing a Gruaud vertical next week, unfortunately we won't have the '61 ('66 is oldest, but we have every major vintage since then). But this way I get to at least taste the '61 vicariously. :)

"DaleW" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Where? Can I come?

Fred.

Dale Williams stated: "Thanks for the notes. I'm organizing a Gruaud vertical next week, unfortunately we won't have the '61 ('66 is oldest, but we have every major vintage since then). But this way I get to at least taste the '61 vicariously. :)"

I find that both Michael Broadbent and Clive Coates also liked the 1961 Gruaud-Larose in fairly recent tastings. Broadbent still rated it as 5 out of 5 star. I believe Coates rated it as about 17.5 out of 20, but then Coates tends not to give out as many of the very highest ratings as many others. Unfortunately I do not have a wide range in Gruaud-Larose vintages. Your upcoming tasting should produce some interesting notes for you to post here.

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Thanks for the notes and taste check.

I've only 2 of the 61's left and have my last tasting was in '85 when my notes said "don't touch the other two for at least 8-10 years.

I've still several of the '61 Gloria's ... one of my all time favorite "best buy" Bordeauxs and I use them as kind of a bench mark to warn me about when to pop the last of the Larose's

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Of the few '61s that I've had, the standout was the Lynch Bages, which should sell for roughly the same amount as the Gruaud-Larose. Having not tasted the latter, I can't offer any sort of comparison except to say that the Lynch Bages was exceptional, too. Thanks for the notes, BTW -- most interesting.

Mark Lipton

Mark Lipton stated: "Of the few '61s that I've had, the standout was the Lynch Bages, which should sell for roughly the same amount as the Gruaud-Larose. Having not tasted the latter, I can't offer any sort of comparison except to say that the Lynch Bages was exceptional, too. Thanks for the notes, BTW -- most interesting."

I just looked up auction prices for several 1961s in the March issue of Decanter. Prices are for a case of 12 bottles in Pounds. They include buyer premiums, but not VAT.

Latour - 34100; Petrus - 32000; Mouton-Rothschild - 5750; Palmer - 4180; Lynch-Bages - 2035; Ducru-Beaucaillou - 1925; Gruaud-Larose - 1744;

The price of 61 Latour started going into orbit a few years ago, and now it costs several thousand $US per bottle. It is a bit more expensive than even the 61 Petrus, and it is equal to the quote of 34100 Pounds for a case of 1985 Romanee-Conti which is the most expensive one from

1960 through 1990. The least expensive 61 Bordeaux on the Decanter listing is 315 Pounds for a case of Talbot.

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Fred, a week from today in Manhattan. Alas, we already have a waiting list (we limit to 12 to ensure everyone a decent pour). I'm really looking forward to this- we have '66, '70, '75, '78, '81, '82, '83, '85, '86, '88, '89, '90, '94, '95, '96, '97, '99, '00, & '01. If of course someone had the '61, I might could convince group to go to 13 :) Seriously, if anyone is in NY area and is interested in being on notice list re tastings (generally BDx verticals and horizontals for this particular group), drop me a line.

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Damn. I'm a few thousand miles away (Las Vegas). It sounds like a good time.

Fred.