Adding Grapes to Kits - Long Post

My apologies in advance for the length of this post. I just don't think there is any way to get it down to 25 words or less.

I have been making kits (couple of dozen, mostly BK/Winexpert) for several years now. I've made a few batches from locally-grown hybrid wine grapes, but as I live in Minnesota, there aren't very many varieties that will survive here, and few places that sell them to amateurs like me. I've even bought grapes from Brehm Vineyards (very nice, very pricey). I've done a few fruit wines (cranberry, apple, mead). But mostly I've been making kits.

A lot of other folks have commented that white wine kits can rival most of what is available from commercial sources, but that red kits just don't seem to develop the same bouquet and depth of flavor as commercial (fermented on the skins) wines. I haven't noticed the "cooked" flavor that some folks seem to find in kit wines, but I agree that the red kits (4-week, 6-week, super premium, you name it) all seem to come out tasting pretty similar, and just don't seem to develop much bouquet or depth.

There are a few kits out there that include a small amount of actual grapes with the kit. I made the Cellar Craft Rosso Fortissimo kit a couple of years ago (the first such I've run across) and it was a nice enough kit, but again just not much character to it (after 1-2 years of bottle aging).

I am taking the plunge again this year and ordering several pails of red grapes from Brehm (Cab. Sauvignon, Cab. Franc and Merlot). In order to get the most out of that rather substantial investment, my first thought was to do a second run with the Brehm skins, after draining off the first run juice. I've done that before, and it makes a nice (but fairly light) red wine. After thinking about it more, however, I am inclined to try adding those skins/seeds to a kit wine, as a way to give the kit more body and character.

In searching the newsgroup archives, I ran across comments several years ago from Ed Goist about having good results from adding wine grapes to kits (but without any details). I found lots of posts complaining about various kits, and lots of folks advocating making the 6-gallon kits to 5 gallons, adding raisins, bananas, elderberries, etc. But almost nothing about adding wine grapes (from Brehm or other sources).

My latest scheme is to buy two fairly good "6-week" kits (say, the Winexpert Selection Cabernet Sauvignon) from the same batch, mix them up to standard strength, and split them into four 3-gallon batches. Keep one plain as a "control", and add to each of the others the skins/seeds from one Brehm pail. One of those will be Cab. Sauvignon, which should be no problem, and the other two (if they have much impact at all) should produce a Meritage-type of blend. I'm doing

3-gallon batches, as I think that larger containers are less susceptible to stray factors that could affect the end-product, and (more importantly) if I like the results, I want to have more than just 4 or 5 bottles of it.

So, at long last, the punch line. Has anyone else tried this approach to "pump-up" a red kit, and (if so) with what general results? In your (personal and biased) opinion is this a reasonable alternative to making a second-run wine by adding water, sugar and acid? Does it yield better results than other techniques for "improving" kits?

I would be happy to post my (subjective) results in due course.

Sorry again for the length. I look forward to lots of informative responses. :-)

Doug

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Doug
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Doug,

I've been adding pressed grape skins to my red kits for the past 2 years with good results. There is an obvious difference between kits made with and without the skins, with the ones made with the skins being my favorite. The tannins are more pronounced, the wines are more unique (if you use different skins), it adds flavor dimensions, it will keep longer and the color seems to be a bit stronger. You won't need to add yeast as there are plenty of yeast cells on the skins/pomace.

The downside is that the wine takes much longer to be drinkable and there is more work involved in the process...a small price to pay for better wine.

You can also freeze the skins/pomace in suitable freezer storage bags. I have used skins that were in the freezer for a year...and the yeast cells were still viable. Remember to remove most of the air in the bag...this seems to limit freezer burn.

Good luck, David Denver, CO USA

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David D.

Doug, It's a good idea. I do that with pailed reds, have for a few years. This year I added 40 pounds of Merlot grapes to 12 gallons of pailed Cab Sauv and skins from 40 pounds of Grenache to to 12 gallons of pailed Syrah.

Ed is from Youngstown, I'm from Pittsburgh. We are pretty close to one another, we share the same suppliers. Ed grows too, I don't. Joe

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Joe Sallustio

Thanks for the encouragement. I expect the greater the effect of the grapes, the longer it will take for the wine to really mature. But it sure seems like it's worth a try. If I lived closer to someplace like Pittsburgh, I probably wouldn't feel compelled to try this, but I haven't had any luck so far, finding a place within 500 miles that sells real wine grapes. Brehm (though good) is just 'way too expensive to use for most of my wines.

Doug

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Doug

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