Juice vs pulp for fruit wines

Well there is, in that there are a lot of fruit winemakers out there (both commercial and non-commercial). However, opinions on how to best make fruit wines tend to vary widely. Thus, for example, the variety of opinion on pulp fermenting vs juice fermenting in this thread.

I think it's predominantly an extraction issue. If you can get decent extraction with your crush and press set-up (for juice only), then the only reason to pulp ferment is to get an *alcoholic extraction* of compounds in the fruit you are using. In the opinion of a (seeming) growing number of winemakers, this is often not desirable (as Frederick and I have stated, in our opinion).

If you can't get decent extreaction with your crush and press set-up (for juice only), then you might pulp ferment to try and better extract. I suspect the latter is the reason many non-grape home winemakers do pulp ferments.

Otherwise, it just depends on the fruit you're using. It depends on the style of wine you're making. Say you want a heavier style with more extraction, more astringency etc, then you might pulp ferment for more phenolic character.

Sure, but the following issues would probably apply: (1) many fruit winemakers see grape wines as different from non-grape wines and, to an extend, tend to dismiss chances for correlations between the too - thus any such possible extrapolations are ignored, (2) the chemistry of each other fruits is a whole area in itself, and these have not been investigated for the purposes of making wine like that of grapes has (if we knew this intimately, then we'd be able to talk about whether pulp fermenting was beneficial or not with more certainty), (3) most fruit winemakers don't care to learn/know about the chemistry of their fruit.

I think so. (?) ;-)

Ben

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Ben Rotter
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Just curious, Ben. Have you, or do you know of anyone who has made a white grape wine by fermenting on the skins - at least for a short time? I have not tried it myself and was just wondering if anyone else has.

I am making a pear wine this year and I purposely fermented on the pulp because I wanted to extract some of the tannins in the skin. Many years ago I made pear wine this way and it turned out excellent. I have not done an experiment using only the juice of the pears and comparing it to pulp fermented wine.

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Paul E. Lehmann

Can't say I've ever heard of it really. Winemakers who want more flavour and phenolic extraction from white grapes tend to conduct aqueous macerations on the skins only. Fermenting on them is undesirable/pointless.

Sure, a perfectly valid reason for taking the approach you did IMO.

Ben

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Ben Rotter

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Actually you can draw an analogy between grapes and other fruit. With grapes you can ferment just the juice and get a white or blush wine. You can ferment on the skin and get anything between a rose and a deep red wine. Many times you can use the same grapes to get any of these. Depending on what you want any and all of these types can be good.

Carrying this to fruit wines. You can ferment just the juice or the whole pulp. You will probably get different wines. Which will be best? Well, that depends on what you like. You might like both.

The best thing to do is to try them. In the past I have fermented my apple wine on the pulp. Last year I made it from juice. I did not care for it as much and will go back to using the pulp. Others will differ.

Ray

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Ray Calvert

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