Loganberry Question

Hi Louise, Replace the Loganberries with blackberries. The wine will be just fine. Good luck, lum

are the same... What do I do? Does anyone know the pronunciation for loganberry in French? Is Blackberry in French "mures"? Help meeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Hi Louise,

I take a loganberry to be a black raspberry... a fruit I picked and ate a few times many years ago and which nobody (younger people) seems to know about (French-canadian only)? I always called it «framboise noire». My French-English dictionnary translate it as «framboise de Logan). I could not find framboise de logan in a french dictionnary!!!

A blackberry is a mûre, the shiny black fruit that looks like a black raspberry.

HTH, Guy... from Chambly

Hi Guy, A raspberry when picked leaves behind the pit/stem thingy which leaves it hollow. Does the loganberry and blackberry do this also or does one or both of them keep the pit/stem thingy? Louise from Otterburn! We're almost neighbours. We eat at Fourquette Fourchette quite often...

Loganberries are a cross between raspberries and blackberries, AFAIK.

I was always taught in french immersion that mûres meant blackerry. I have a bottle of Crème de Mûres from southern france, and it looks like blackberry dessert wine.

As for the French translation I don't speak it, and cannot find anything on the internet.

Stephen.

leaves it hollow. Does the loganberry and blackberry do this also or does one or both of them keep the pit/stem thingy? Louise from Otterburn! We're almost neighbours. We eat at Fourquette Fourchette quite often...

I wrote:

I stand corrected. A framboise noire is a black raspberry. I still don't know what a loganberry is but intend to find out.

Guy (intending to eat at Fourquette Fourchette one of these days)

So the Loganberry has a core and the Blackberry doesn't? Is this right? I figure if I know what to look for it will be easier to ID even if the store mis-label them which is quite common in a lot of stores. Louise:o)

Some info on Loganberry:

Louise,

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond, but to answer you question Loganberries and Blackberries are not the same thing.

Loganberries are Rubus ursinus loganbaccus. There are three species that are designated as Blackberries. They are Himalaya Blackberry (Rubus procerus), Evergreen Blackberry (Rubus laciniatus), and Highbush Blackberry (Rubus allegheniensis). So as you see by their scientific names they are related by Genus but not by species.

According to the story, Judge James H. Logan was working with bramble berry plants back in Victorian California when everyone else was working with strawberries. He worked diligently to produce a new plant of the Rubus genus and in 1881 he planted seeds from the new berry. One year later it was introduced as commerical fruit. The new fruit ws a red-berried, uprigth-growing bramble whose parentage is up for debate, but many botanist believe it is a hybrid of teh western dewberry and the red raspberry. Others maintain that it is a variety of teh dewberry. The difference is that a hybrid is the result of a cross between two species or subspecies, while a variety is aplant within a species that differes from teh norm in some way. Some loganberry fanciers suspect that the native California Blackberry (Rubus vitifolius) is some how involved in the parentage, in any event, the loganberries partentage has become berry esoterica. When it is all said and done though it is same genus but a different species than blackberries. In any event, the loganberry is a vigorous grower, but it has a limited range. It does not do well in the East. It is perfectly suited to the Pacific Northwest and California coast. It can be grown out of this area but a huge effort must be made to prevent winter kill. There is a thornless variety that has a wider range and is often seen in British gardens.

The plant puts on quite a display in the garden with charming white flowers that are followed by pendulous groups of large conical fruits. The berries ripen in August on peacock-blue stocks reminiscent of grapevines when they are train in meandering loops on trellises.

When all is said and done, though, the berries have a distinctive, slightly acid taste agreeable to all palates and should be used as you would a blackberry or a raspberry.

So according to the literature that I found you can substitute blackberries or raspberries.

I probably gave you more information than you wanted, but I hope this helps you make your decision.

Respectfully,

From - "Backyard Gardener" - Auth. Unk "...The berries do not plug, so are picked complete with core. Picking is best done when the berries are quite dry..." HTH