Poor Fruit, No pH Control or Both?

Hello all.

I've made wine from grapes for 5 years with the last four on my own without the aid of my former group. The wines from that first year were delectable, balanced and aged well. Since going on my own (after fair winemaking research and investment), my wines are not up to the level they were with my former group.

I practice the same principles my former group did. That is, we crushed the grapes, measured the Brix, fermented and pressed. No pH measurements but sulfite was added at 0.25tsp per box during crush. Their wines always came out great; why would I change the process?

Since I am now geographically separated from that group, I get my fruit from different sources. Besides this year when I arranged our own transport for grapes and could dictate the vineyard, our fruit took a circuitous route, heading to Tampa, FL before making its way to Georgia. Needless to say, our earliest fruit was 2+ weeks off the vine while the worst case... I don't want to imagine (Zin, PN and Sangiovese have been traditionally poor - are they typically earlier ripening?).

Let's consider the cases of only red wines from Central Valley fruit. Pinot, Cab Sauv, Merlot, Zin, Sangiovese, Petit Sirah, etc.

My wine, since getting different fruit and NOT with the former group, has been a mixed bag. Some varietals have turned out fine while others have begun to "turn", oxidizing after only 1 year in carboy. I've suspected airlocks and have ruled that out (different carboys of same varietals are afflicted and all seals appear fine). I've ruled out sanitation practices since I tend to be pretty anal-retentive in that area and not all of the wines have lost their edge.

For example, my 2005 cab sauv, merlot and petit sirah blend is astounding in bottle! My 2005 sangiovese which has not yet left the carboy is browning and is beginning to turn to sherry, not quite vinegar.

I've begun to strongly question the fruit we had in the past as well as the fact that I've not measured and adjusted pH. I know there's a strong correlation between pH and ageing potential - don't need a lecture there. I guess what I could be educated about is whether I should really expect a wine to oxidize after only 1 year and that 1 year being spent in carboy, largely undisturbed except for racking (where I was typically adding

0.125tsp KSO2 except with H2S issues). Granted, I've not been proper in testing for free SO2 and adjusting, but that amount of sulfite is generally attributed to ~20ppm but I accept there are huge variances with this gross generalization, unless 0.125tsp can be akin to having zero.

Let me boil the question down again.

Assuming 0.125tsp pot. met. every other racking, an unknown pH and fruit that was off the vine too long, what do you suspect my oxidation problem could be? I prefer to not be berated with "you need to measure this and adjust that" because I intend to do just that with the 2007 vintage (my former group got fruit less than a week off the vine; is that why they fared better?). I strongly suspect poor fruit because, frankly, these wines are starting to taste like thin vinsantos which I understand are made from partially dried grapes.

Please offer your thoughts and suggestions. Starting in 2006 I am working with a new vineyard and have trucked my shipment out directly, paying dearly for the privilege. Thus, I am expecting (hoping?) the 2006 vintage to be light years ahead of what's been going on 2003-2005. If your belief is that fruit is the big culprit, I've taken the steps to avoid this in the future. If otherwise, besides measuring and adjusting pH, I have a lot more work ahead of me.

Sorry for the long-winded message; it's that CS-M-PS blend typing.

Patrick McDonald

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Forgot to answer some questions ahead of time...

I inoculate with cultured yeast (Barolo) and all carboys are topped up just fine. Potential alcohols are 13-16% range.

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patrick mcdonald

Hi Patrick,

I'm a total noob here myself, but I've read you need to continue to add sulfite during each racking to keep the levels to a 'protective' zone. I understand sulfite will dispurse with time and lose it's effectiveness in preventing oxidation. Why one wine would be better than the others may have to do with the shipping and need more 'help' from the sulfite additions. So the question I would ask is how often/much have you added sulfite since that first addition at crush. (which gets bound up pretty quickly btw)

Regards,

Rick

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EnoNut

Poor fruit might be part of the issue here, but I would suspect that your largest issue is too little sulphite. 20 ppm sulphite at every 2nd racking probably isn't enough to protect against oxidation and spoilage (you wrote that one wine was starting to taste like sherry?). If your grapes are from Central Valley, they are likely to have high pH, which will further compound your sulphite issues.

Adding 20 ppm sulphite every other racking means that to give 0.8 ppm molecular sulphite you would have to have a pH of 3.2 (which is unlikely). Since you add it every other racking, your are probably spending more time down in the area of 10 ppm or less.

Might want to give this a read:

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Trav77

I couldn't agree more. I do a lot of central valley fruit and reds are typically no higher than 3.5 pH after a year.

I'm not sure how many racks there were but the initial dose sounded good, Patrick. 1/4 teaspoon to no more than 3 gallons would be around

80 to 100 PPM by my guesstimate; but if the fruit was really bad that may have been a little low. Sulfite can't fix bad fruit but it sounds like you addressed that for next time.

I think you may be racking too much and sulfiting too little. I don't know where you are in Georgia but in Pittsburgh PA we get over 100 truckloads of grapes in from the Central Valley. And we get truckloads of juice too. It never takes that long to get here, our stuff arrives in great shape.

You may want to hunt for the big fruit wholesalers in your immediate area and see if they bring in wine grapes. I would not pay for a truck to haul Central Valley fruit if i could avoid that, the best you will end up with is very good table wine. (Not that that is a bad thing, most of ours is from the central valley and we love it).

You may want to consider turning that spoiled wine into vinegar, homemade vinegar is very good. It may be too late if it's heavily oxidized but unless you are thinking of making some sort of port with it it may be lost already.

You may want to consider fining it with skim milk if the oxidation is not too advanced.

I know you said you checked your airlocks but make sure the 'sprue' (the mold marks) is not pronounced; that sprue can cause serious issues. I scrape all new airlocks because i had your issues early on, it's aggravating to say the least.

Joe

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Joe Sallustio

Thanks for everyone's responses. I've taken them to heart and look forward to better results from the 2006 fruit.

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patrick mcdonald

Thanks for everyone's responses. I've taken them to heart and look forward to better results from the 2006 fruit.

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patrick mcdonald

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