Re: Oaking?

I suppose it may matter if you are making wine from kits or from grapes. From red grapes, I don't add oak until the wine is clear and racked to a final container for aging. I don't want to have to rack wine off it's lees and leave the oak behind. Plus, it is easier to taste test with a little age and clarity. For instance, I don't add the same amount of oak to cab franc as I do to chambourcin. But you have to be able to taste it to know what to do. For chardonnay, I use a small amount of oak, adding it right after the initial fermentation. I let the wine set on its lees and oak for about 7 months. Then rack. Kits come with instructions and you might add oak right away. The best advice is to follow the instructions. Tim

When is it better to add oak to the wine, during fermentation or after?
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Tim McNally
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There are some advantages to adding oak early on. 1) Integration of oak aromas with varietal aromas. 2) Formation of anthocyanin - tannin (oak tannin) complexes that help to stabilize color. 3) Incorporation of well inegrated "Dark Toast" aromas using heavy toasted chips without the risk of over oaking by using heavily toasted barrels. (I love the "toaste hay" aroma that you get from a small amount of dark toasted oak, especially when it is added early. I find that you can smell this faint aroma even when the glass is empty and only a red stain on the bottom of the glass is left!)

I've had great success using medium and heavy toast oak chips in my primary fermentation. I find that the presense of oak and the use of "rack and return" pump-over provides extremely integrated oak aromas. Remember, the aromas that oak adds is a complex set of molecules that can and do react with other aroma molecules from your grapes (or other fruit). Quite frankly, there are molecules present in your must that are not present (or are present in minute quantity) by the time you start bulk aging. Adding oak early allows these molecules to interact to form new ones that can give added dimensions (read "complexity") to your wines.

Believe me, its worth a try!

One word of advice. Do not go overboard with the early oak addition, use small amounts to start. In the search for complexity in your wines it is important to remember that too much of a single flavor or aroma can cause your wine to be "angular" or "one-dimensional". Remember, you can always add more oak in bulk aging.

Good luck and CHEERS to ALL!

Aaron

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Aaron Puhala

I agree with that entirely. The earlier you add oak to your wine, the better it becomes integrated into the wine's flavor profile. Also, I've heard it reported that the action of the yeast during primary fermentation tends to fine the harsh tannins "in situ". My own experience tends to bear this out.

That's where I tend to disagree. I find that wines are more forgiving of _early_ overoaking than if you overdo it later. For one thing, if the wine is still fermenting and you find the oak to be overwhelming early on, you can rack away from the wood and the wine will likely recover completely. OTOH, if you overoak a wine late in its development, you have little recourse but to attempt to fine the wine to reduce the oakiness or blend the wine with one with less or no oak.

Of course personal preferences play a big part in these decisions. I like a lot of oak in most wines, but not everyone would agree with me on that.

Tom S

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Tom S

Tom what type of fining could be used to reduce oakiness - my guess would be gelatin, since it is usually considered the stripper of fining agents - but I thought I would ask.

I have a batch from last fall that was a blend of juice with some fresh Carignan fermented on some Zinfandel skins which got a heavy dose of oak, from chips used during fermentation and from being the first red into a new barrel. It has been out of the barrel for about six weeks now, but the taste from the carboy is still very much a oak punch in the nose - an a little corse at that. I kind of like it, and it was never intended to be one of my topflight wines, so I had thought about blending it but a option to reduce the oak via fining is also interesting.

steve

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Steve Small

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