This new Blackberry batch

Sep 02, 2004 4 Replies

All,



Just put on a blackberry batch (5 gal.) I used 14.5 lb of berries (aiming for light body and dry) and about 11.5 lbs of sugar (sg 1.100 to start).



From what I've heard, I'm pulling the berrries out tonight after 5 days of heavy fermentation (still going strong, will take SG to see if I go to secondary, but I doubt it) I am just moving the berries to prevent the sour/bitter taste of the seeds...



I really didn't know what to expect with the color, smell, etc... My only blackberry exposure was my mother's pies and my fathers brandy (old recipe with raisins, lemon, bakers yeast and no aging :-O)



The color isn't nearly what I expected, I can only call it "bright red" It is clearly not pale, and clearly not dark. It smells wonderful and is thinning out appreciably. I used fine straining bags and expect the racking to secondary to go smooth when it is time.



Any other similar/entirely different experiences with this berry?



I can only wish that there were more bramble bushes nearby that I could raid. (any advise on starting these as new plants from berries/seeds?)



Cheers, Greg Erie, PA



Greg, the color will change once the fermentation stops and the yeast start a massive die-off. Right now you are seeing the color of the wine with billions of microscopic bubbles of CO2 suspended in it, so it will be lighter in color (creamier is what one friend calls it) because the bubbles refract light incident upon them. Forget the physics lesson and trust me on this. When the wine "falls clear," the darker color will start at the top and work its way down. It will change from an opaque "bright red" to a transparent "dark reddish-purple."

I really don't know if this is true or not, but a friend told me that whatever is to be extracted from skins, pulp and seeds -- whether we're talking about blackberries, grapes or apples -- will have been extracted in the first three days of vigorous fermentation. If true, then it is already too late to prevent additional tannins or other phenolics from being integrated into the wine from the seeds. If not true, you still have time to presss....

I watched a commercial winery prepare blackberries for wine. They had been frozen in 5- and 6-gallon buckets about three weeks and were moved into the 65-degree winery. After three days, they were poured into a mixing vat and given a dose of liquid pectic enzyme. Every hour they were mixed with an inserted impeller for about 2-3 minutes. After six hours, there was lots of free-run juice and they were pumped into a bladder press and the juice extracted and pumped into a tank. About six pressings were required to process the entire batch. The juice was analyzed and chaptalized, ameliorated with just enough water to drop the acid to 6.0, and a gallon was drawn off and into it the yeast nutrients were dissolved and then added to the batch. A starter solution for the yeast had been activated that morning and was added to the batch. Only the juice was fermented. They avoided seed contact altogether.

I have never made it that way even though I have now made several batches of 100% blackberry juice wine, only diluted to correct acidity. I make it similar to what you are doing, but wait for the cap to collapse before pressing.

Plant blackberry plants only where you have no intention of ever using the land for other purposes. Every wild blackberry ot dewberry I have planted took over its environs and were a real nighmare to eradicate later. I now grow only thornless Navajo blackberries. They are big, delicious, upright, and -- did I mention? -- thornless. And I don't care if they take over the area I've planted them in.

Jack Keller, The Winemaking Home Page

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Ya, dont worry about the colour, my current batch ob Rhubarb looked like Pepto Bismal during fermentation but has now settled to a nice ruby red (I added 2l of Welches Grape/Strawberry for colour)

-JD

Thanks, Jack, for the description of how the blackberry wine is made commercially. Concerning your friends comment about everything being extracted within 3 cays, Cox, in From vines to Wines talks about commercial wineries leaving big reds in contact with skins for 3 weeks or more to get maximum extraction. They keep it under an innert gas. Just a comment.

One other thing on color. My experience would say that blackberry wine is easily bleached by light so I would suggest protecting it from light while making and while aging.

Ray

Thanks for the advice, Jack, and Ray.

It is a bit "creamy" in color, but a bit lighter than I expected still. I have been stirring daily still. Still has vigorous fermentation, and bags/pulp removed yesterday. Must is still full of yeast judging by the fermentation. I checked and rechecked SG, it is

1.01, so I suspect rapid die off soon. I can't wait to get this into secondary, tonight or tomorrow will likely be the deal.

The reason I even guessed at the color is when I did my blueberry batch, it was VERY dark during must/ferment, and now in secondary. I am looking forward to this one too.

I read earlier, I think it was Jack that posted the trick about the muslin primary covers instead of airlock/bung/lid. I liked the idea and bought a slew of muslin and elastic. I am going to expand upon this idea now, and make a few "cloaks" out of the muslin for my carboys, well for the ones with darks in them. Basically, I'm going to dye them black and make a small hole for the top at the neck and make a basic cloak to the floor. My dark area still gets some morning sunlight in the room, though not direct, and I want to preserve the colors as much as possible.

Very interesting about the commercial blackberry batch too.

Thanks, Greg

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