Korean Tea Questions

Since the topic was brought up and we have quite an authority on the subject, it is an area I am fairly ignorant of and would love to learn a bit more or at least enough as a jumping off point for further exploration. I'm not sure if the topic has come up in the past but I'd love to hear from anyone with any experience or tasting notes.

I have a number of Korean friends and my father had been stationed on the DMZ for some time before I was born, but my father's recollection mainly involves just jasmine green tea and even of that he wasn't really into tea while there. My other Korean acquaintances are also not really into tea and their "tea" generally consists of Ginger root boiled to make a strong ginger tea, instant ginseng powder tea, instant chrysanthemum powdered tea, JuJuBe teabags, and maybe some sencha. So as you can see my experience and knowledge is fairly limited and not really centered around real tea per-se.

Is this common? Are the flavored/fruit/herbal teas more prevalent in every day drinking?

I do know most Korean teas tend to be greens (Nok-Cha) with a touch of oolong. But of these greens there are a number of choices, what is the most common Korean tea? What three teas (or more) would be a good starting point that would cover a range of the Korean tea spectrum?

Finally, what vendors are reputable and well stocked in these teas? I have seen a few sites with Korean tea sections but they almost seem to be an after thought.

Thanks to any and all who can be of assistance!

- Dominic

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Franchia! In NYC - tea shop and cafe branch of Hangawi restaurant (vegan Korean place). Expensive, but great wild green Korean green tea, Korean teaware, and a lot of (free) information on their site about brewing tea Korean style.

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Their first and second picked teas are very delicate... a lot of people probably would actually prefer the third picked. The prices on their site are for 3 oz, not the weight listed, which I believe is the shipping weight. In the US, there aren't a lot of other vendors selling this stuff, so it's hard to get a frame of reference for how overpriced their tea is. I suspect it is a little overpriced, just because the place itself is pretty frou-frou, but the tea is (IMHO) excellent, and I'm generally not a big green tea person. I guess closest comparison to something else I've had would be a really delicate long jing, but earthier and sweeter.

I imagine if you give them a call and manage to reach them when they're not busy, they might be able to give you some more background on Korean tea ceremony.

Surprisingly, I haven't seen that much interesting Korean tea stuff in LA (surprising because LA has such a huge Korean population). There is one tea & coffee shop, which I haven't checked out yet. Most of the Korean markets here (not that they'd have the greatest tea) stock typical Japanese teas like Genmaicha etc.

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Hey thanks for the reply I hadn't been aware of Franchia before at all. I actually wasn't the one who was interested in the tea ceremony stuff, that had been a student looking for info. I'm more interested in Korean tea itself. Shan Shui offers some Korean teas:

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and the prices seem consistent or even higher there than Franchia. I know there has been a vendor site I came across a month or so back that was totally dedicated to Korean tea but I didn't bookmark it and can't find it again.

Without specific info I'd approach Korean teas like any other and figure that the second and third picks are probably the best while the expensive first pick is more valued for rarity and subtlety than taste. I do understand it is fairly rare stuff so I fully expect to pay for it, but just as with a number of FF DJs it simply isn't worth it sometimes. I'll give them all a shot, but I'd be surprised if my assumption is wrong.

All of my Korean markets and friends tend to go for the Japanese greens as well, but as I had made reference to they are very big on little packets of instant granule "tea" which is either Ginger, Ginseng, or Chrysanthemum based with sweetener in little pellets. I can tolerate it but it is not pleasurable to me at all. The other big option I see is the jujube (date) tea which they seem to love as well.

- Dominic

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Hello, In the lower part of the index page for my tea pages at

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I do mention one Korean tea store and tea-room in LA, Chasaengwon, run by the daughter of a well-known Korean tea-producer. Other major online American tea stores do sometimes offer Korean teas but of course, since I am on the spot here in Korea, it is not a question that I spend much time with. I believe that certain Korean food stores across the US sometimes stock tea, if they have enough customers asking for it. Usually Sullok tea, I expect.

As Dominic says, most ordinary Koreans are not into green tea at all. The tea revival of the 1970s and 80s has had some impact but on the whole Koreans drink coffee, or those other kinds of fruit or herbal 'tea' that owe nothing to camellia sinensis. The closest they come is tea bags of 'green tea' but often they prefer those where the tea is blended with roasted rice husks, giving a sweeter taste. The tea- drinking situation in Korea is totally unlike that of Japan, where you get served green tea everywhere for free before you order your cup of green tea.

When tea-drying emerged from the temples and first became a commercial activity in the 1970s in the Hwagye Valley region of Hadong county, in Jiri Mountain, the target market was either rich Koreans or Japanese tourists, so the prices were fixed sky-high. In recent years, the women who do the tea-picking in April-May have a far more realistic awareness of the payment they ought to receive for such arduous work (the best tea fields are often on precipitous slopes and the bushes are planted in haphazard arrangements, not in the tidy Japanese-style hedges visible at Boseong or in Jeju Island). That means that the cost of a kilogram of freshly picked leaves from a good spot is bound to be very high (few can pick more than about 2 kilograms in a day). Since one kilogram of green leaves produces 100 grams of tea . . . but there are some ridiculous prices being demanded (and paid!) at the start of the season in April, with 50 grams of some 'famous' makers' tea selling for more than a thousand dollars. Some people have far too much money!

Finally (already too long) there is all the difference in the world between a commercially harvested and marketed tea which will have been dried by hot air in a revolving cylinder as in Japan and Taiwan, and the tea that I describe in my pages and book, that is dried in the way taught by the Buddhist monks, being turned, rubbed and rolled entirely by hand while being dried in a cauldron over a wood fire. It takes hours of meticulous work to produce a couple of hundred grams, and the old women who know exactly when to do what are gradually disappearing from the face of the earth.

Finally, I would add that, yes, the Korean green tea produced by this process is in fact very slightly oxidized (fermented) so that it does not have the 'grassy' taste we find in much Japanese tea, and produces a lightly yellow brew which can be intensely perfumed, especially if the water is not too hot.

An Sonjae / Brother Anthony

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Your book and your website have been about my only sources for good info, and I thank you for the time and effort. I guess my experience is the norm then and maybe I was hoping it wasn't the case but at least it validates my limited findings. If it isn't too much trouble could you let me know which grade is the most balanced as far as flavor/cost? I planned on smaller samples of the first and second pickings and a larger quantity of the third picking... but if the second pick is the best choice I was going to just go with a smaller quantity of first pick and larger amount of second.

Thanks!

- Dominic

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The traditional seasonal names used in Korea (brought from China) are Ujon, Sejak, Jungjak (spellings vary, alas!) and I assume that these correspond more or less to '1st, 2nd, 3rd flush.' The main problem in answering your question, of course, is whose tea you are buying! The Kwanhyang tea I am privileged to have access to is splendid right through, even the broken leaves etc they pack and sell separately are better than the top grades of a lot of other teas! On the whole, I would say that Ujon is very often grossly overpriced (mentioned yesterday) and since it tends to be volatile, the very delicate flavor sometimes evaporates quickly once the pack is opened, or seems to weaken within a few months even when sealed (Koreans do not use vacuum packaging). So Sejak is usually the best for quality / price but a good maker's Jungjak can be fine. There is no way other than actual tasting, really. And sometimes nothing is specified, the tea is simply sold as 'Chaksolcha' (sparrow's tongues tea) which is the traditional name for what we now term Korean green tea (you only need to specify 'green' when the default is 'red / black tea'). Again, tasting will tell. The Panyaro Tea I celebrate in my pages, made by Chae Won-Hwa for use by herself and members of her institute, has no distinguishing seasonal labels but on certain boxes the label is printed in gold, on most it is in black. There might or might not be a difference in what is inside . . .

Another topic: I was puzzled by the Franchia site, that says they sell tea in measures of '1 pound including packaging'. The boxes illustrated look to me to be the standard Korean model, which can only hold 100 grams of tea. Do they mean that the remaining 400 grams are cardboard? Caveat emptor! At least the process they illustrate is that which should produce good tea though no tea can be better than the field it comes from. Their words about 'no pesticide no fertilizer' would serve to launch another diatribe . . . so no more now.

Br Anthony / An Sonjae

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I'm pretty sure it's actually even less - as I warned in my post, I think it's 3 oz of tea, so about 85g. The containers in their retail store are labelled prominently, but I don't know why they aren't clearer about it on their website. I think they just mean that the shipping weight is a pound, because I'm sure their packaging with the tea in it doesn't weigh a full pound.

The place you mention in LA (Chasaengwon) is the place that I was saying I've been meaning to visit. I'll try and get around to checking it out sometime soon and report back.

I'd be interested in hearing what the price range tends to be in Korea for the different grades of tea you mention (realizing, of course, that the price range is probably huge).

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my Korean friends in LA and also going to couple korean restaurants, mostly drank barley "tea" at korean supermarkets they have lots of all kinds of root teabag teas, some green, and lots of barley.

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Right, more info! Barley tea: made by pouring boiling water onto roasted grains of barley. Common variations use roasted grains of maize, or the dried roots of Solomon's seal. Other possibilities too. Drunk hot or cold instead of plain water and traditionally poured into the rice bowls at the end of a meal as a final drink / mouthwash and to ensure that no grains of precious cereal are wasted. Perhaps inspired by 'nurungji' which is a rather more substantial fluid traditionally made by pouring boiling water onto the crust of burned rice at the bottom of a rice pot that has been cooked over a fire (now that 120% of Koreans use electric cookers, they can buy separate electric cookers to make this, though few do) and served after or sometimes even instead of ordinary rice at the end of a meal. At home we always have a kettle of cold barley tea (sold everywhere in tea-bag form) ready because we do not quite believe in tap water and resist bottled water.

The home page of the Hangook Tea Company (parent company of Chasaengwon) gives no prices in its (very complete) English pages but the Korean pages list 70 gr of Ujon (1st flush) for $80 (taking Won

1000 to be $1)or 100 gr of very slightly later tea for $43. while their more accessible Kamro / Jaksolcha (ignore spelling) is $30 for 70gr. These are quite usual prices for good hand-made tea. They have recently introduced a more strongly fermented (oxidized) 'Yellow tea' at $25 for 80gr. These prices are about those charged by Kwanhyang for 100gr packs, simply because she is a very humble lady who does not want her friends to pay more though she ought to be charging double, given the quality of her tea.

Turning to Sullok Tea (the most widely marketed industrially produced brand) we find their top quality 'Illohyang' (never mind the meaning) being sold at $100 for 60gr, followed by another prestige label 'Okro' (jade dew if you must know) at $70 for 70gr. Then we have Ujon at $50 for 80gr, Sejak at $39 for 80gr, and Oksujin at $23 for 80gr. They also have cheaper teas marketed as everyday brands.

No more now, time for tea

Br Anthony / An Sonjae

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