Daily Telegraph rubbish

"PeterE" wrote in news:dd3b9r$7u7$ snipped-for-privacy@news6.svr.pol.co.uk:

I believe Camra is still one of the outstanding examples of a consumer movement that forced major corporations to change their intentions, ie to wipe out real ale. This should not be underestimated. Big business has destroyed other traditional products and ways of life (supermarkets vs high street being an obvious example). The government is now having to regulate things like salt content in foods.

Yes, real ale has a declining share but there is probably more choice around now if you want it, both in pubs and retail outlets. In my experience with small organisatoions that depend on activists it is usually the volunteers who tend to scupper more professionalism, as they dislike using the same techniques deployed by the 'enemy'.

M.

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marcb
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Having looked at a range of papers that came out over GBBF week, the Telegraph one stood out because it was the only "negative" one. Most of the others were positive and concentrated on the CAMRA press-release on pub closures - hardly an indication of poor press releases! I suggest the lazt journo simply wanted to put a different spin from the other papers in order to "stand out from the crowd". In terms of the Telegraph, I start worrying when I agree with the content!

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Brett...

In fact I do block popups using the Google toolbar. So maybe there are popups and popups...

Brian

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BrianW

What I'm seeing locally is less of the "megabrews" like Boddingtons, John Smiths and Tetleys, and more offerings from local microbreweries. Storm (Macclesfield) brews now seem to be much commoner in the local area than Boddies. But then I don't tend to go to "lowest common denominator" pubs.

The problem is that most people measure real ale sales by how much of the likes of Boddingtons is sold. (No disrespect to Hydes, but you know what I mean.)

Brian

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BrianW

Those are a particularly horrible version. If you look closely - and you may need to scroll about a bit - there is a 'close' button on the edge of those ads - somewhere...

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Xifer
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The Submarine Captain

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:29:28 +0100, The Submarine Captain wrote (in message ):

Because they're spot-on every year and you can't improve on spot-onness.

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Steve Pickthall
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The Submarine Captain

In article , Steve Pickthall writes

Can't say that I've noticed ...

There must be skin and hair flying when the Thickpall brothers get together, because sibling Jeff has started taking What's Brewing's filthy lucre, and must therefore approve of CAMRA and what it is doing.

If not ...

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Roy Bailey

"BrianW" wrote in news:g7uJe.13434$ snipped-for-privacy@newsfe6-win.ntli.net:

Here in Islington I think there is more decent choice now largely thanks to the rise of the gastropub although the beer comes at a high price. My local is one such doing a choice of sometimes well served beers - before it was a mostly empty back steet pub with one sad disused handpump.There are now three gastros in easy walking distance and another looks like it's being converted at the other end of my street.

M.

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marcb

Hmmm. The "house" eventually transmogrifies to the right into a standard window with a "close" button. But there is no way to close the original "house" that I can see. I haven't tried it with Firefox, but elsewhere there's a comment that a CAMRA web site doesn't display correctly with Firefox. (I can confirm that you can't click on some links.)

Just revisited the web page and the house has gone! Oh well.

Brian

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BrianW

May I ask what part of Islington? (Lived there mostly)

Wayne

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Wayne

De Beauvoir - Islington/Hackney. Gastro pubs are the Talbot, Northgate, Rosemary Branch. The Trolley Stop on Stamford Road is undergoing a refit and may be another soon.

M.

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marcb

Are these "gastropubs" welcoming to people who don't want a "gastromeal"? Much of what I have read suggests that they are basically pretentious restaurants inhabiting the shells of former pubs.

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PeterE
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The Submarine Captain

They vary - some are basically pubs with a good kitchen and others tend to cater for mostly eaters mainly because they get so popular. The previously empty pub near me is packed most nights but thee'e no problem about just drinking - the food there is not the main draw. It's just been refurbished as a trendy bar.

M.

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marcb

Seems quite unjustified, I recall remarking to friends that there was a really quite high proportion of totty there. Although having passed 30, and having had the beard for ~10years, I suspect I fall into exactly the right mould...

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Simon Cooper

I've experienced that problem too, with CAMRA's HQ site, but I'm told that "they're working on it".

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Joyce Whitchurch

Ahh, different part of Islington. Grew up around Caledonian road, family still live there. Brother has to trot up Copenhagen street to The Angel (Wetherspoons) to get a decent pint. All his locals are pretty gruesome.

Wayne

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Wayne

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