Outlaw Stars and Stripes - more info please.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:32:36 +0000 (UTC), Jeff Pickthall 's owl flew in through the window and dropped a message on which was scribed:

It is. Cascade and Willamette I think from the taste.

Roosters put out their experimental beers under the Outlaw label. There used to be a regular Outlaw beer called White Cloud. Don't know what happened to that but it was very nice.

Cheers, Lee.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:18:58 +0100, Alan Perrow 's owl flew in through the window and dropped a message on which was scribed:

St Sean of Knaresborough...

Hop genius, the things he can smell!

In message , Richard Parker writes

The only time there were enough hopsin roosters are when they entered hooligan for a hop competition & dosed it up, otherwise they all tast the same ..

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:09:39 +0100, martyn dawe 's owl flew in through the window and dropped a message on which was scribed:

Palettes differ of course. But subtle hops'r'us *is* Roosters. Mind you I like in your face massive hop brews too, as does M. Mousson.

Rich

Indeed, subtle is the word... granted, it is a tad more difficult to appreciate than up-your face stuff.

Count me in for the Sir Sean of Knaresborough campaign !

Ditto me. I really don't know how you can say White Cloud tasted like Yankee. Both of which have to be in my Desert Island Beers somewhere. There is a Roosters/Pioneer taste which is distinctive, but there are other multifaceted tastes there as well.

But why Knaresborough? Used to be Claro Industrial estate in Harrogate, has the brewery moved? Whichever, I wish more places sold Sean's superb offerings:-(

There's a bit of resemblence between some of Sean's beers and those of Durham brewery, IMHO. Apart from them both being excellent that is:-)

Agreed... but it's always a pleasure having a pint of whichever's Rooster's Outlaw's on when I'm in the UK. BTW they're great stuff to demonstrate the "I-don't-like-beer" brigade that there's more to hops than bitterness, and that beer can have tastes they never ever dreamt of...

correct spelling ! ;o)

Hmmm, I've mostly met Tettnanger in german lagers (and I seem to remember certain Kölsches contain some), and the lychee edge never really struck me. Granted, in a fruitier British ale, it certainly would come out differently.... Thanks for pointing that out...

Cheers !

Laurent

yep, & I'll always have at least a pint if I spot them on a bar, as I did recently at the Ship&Mitre & DrDuncan's in Liverpool.

so many drinkers, beerwriters, etc still don't understand the difference between the terms hoppy and bitter.

s'okay . . . I think that perhaps the way LordFranklinOfHarrogate uses hops - his insistence on absolute freshness & late-hopping or dry-hopping with lots of 'em - means that he gets flavours from them that few brewers or drinkers would recognise even from well-known hop varieties. (as you say using US & euro varieties in UK ales confuses things even further!)

I know the same could be said of Coniston & their use of Challenger hops in Bluebird (still quite an under-appreciated hop), rumour has it that the brew that won CBoB used an incredibly fresh, fragrant batch of hops - no disrespect intended to Coniston. cheers MikeMcG mic (underscore) mac (at) postmaster (dot) co (dot) uk

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 1:39:49 +0100, MikeMcG wrote (in message ):

In conversation with Mr Protz recently at a tatsting of Czech beers he used the word "hoppy" to mean bitter.