protect the pub campaign

Perhaps if it included opposing the smoking ban it would be more credible.

You are becoming tiresome (and wrong) on this subject. Peter

Following on from PeterE's message. . .

Already pubs round here are going N-S without serious problems. What dim-wits and selfish suckers don't realise, and stick their fingers in their ears and hands over their eyes when told, is that this is a change for the better that opens up pubs to many more people. Again, slowly : /an opportunity to attract new customers/

One excuse that I particularly like is : "I'm not allowed to smoke at home" Well Ah diddums - If it's not acceptable at home then why do you think it's acceptable to us here.

I was in the completely separate N-S eating room of a pub on Friday evening with a closed door between us and the rest of the pub. But on walking out I could smell the stink of stale smoke on my jumper - Yeuk! I Shan't be doing that again until after July the 1st. [Really excellent 'Bagpiper' from Mighty Oak - A more fruity version of Oscar Wilde Mild]

Seconded.

E.

The two are not related. The smoking ban is happening - you have plenty of notice, I suggest you deal with it.

There are others that do - search the site

I'm sorry but that kind of common sense comment is just not fashionable. By chance the subject of smoking was being discussed at the social club on Friday and the *lone* smoker said he wasn't bothered about the ban - "I only really smoke out of boredom and it is bad for me anyway. Since this is the only place I smoke then I will just stop"

Facilities for smokers after the ban? My recommendation was a gazebo under the tree by the river which is all of

15-20 foot from the conservatory door as it serves the need without bringing up a possible argument about smoke drifting into the conservatory which would happen with the alternate suggestion of a small attached section. Oh, and a brolly for the distance between on nasty wet days.

Nope, I'm wholly convinced I'm right. See my letter in this month's "What's Brewing". The smoking ban will close large numbers of pubs and is the product of intolerant bigotry.

And anyone who fails to see the parallels between the campaigns against tobacco and alcohol is a self-deluding fool.

*I* fail to see it. Anyone smoking near to me is endangering *my* health. Anyone drinking a pint of beer near to me is *not* endangering my health.

I fail to understand why you think you have the right to smoke in public places. OK I'm not saying you shouldn't smoke - just do it away from non smokers and endanger only *your* health. Or are you saying that non smokers should keep away from public places ?

Where is all this evidence on "passive smoking" endangering health?

And the links between the anti-tobacco and anti-alcohol campaigns are well documented. They are two sides of the same coin.

I fail to understand why bigots like yourself wish to ban smoking in public places.

And, by the way, I don't smoke.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:10:36 +0000, PeterE wrote (in article ):

There may well be no evidence but there is plenty of evidence that it is an unpleasant minority interest. Unpleasant minority interests tend to get banned.

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I'm glad I don't live on your planet! How do you get through each day?

There is a ban coming - deal with it.

Totally irrelevant.

Just what pals of mine said many years ago about "actual smoking". Sadly a few of them have now departed this planet :-( No - I have no way of proving that passive smoking endangers health, although a quick google (plus links posted by Prometheus) would suggest I'm right in my thinking.

OK - let's assume that you're right and passive smoking does not endanger health. I can say with 100% certainty that it does make me feel horrible, makes my clothes smell and makes me want a shower when I've been in the vicinity of smokers. Do they have a right to inflict this on people who do not have their habit ? I think not !

Not understood - sorry. The 2 subjects do not seem to have any connection.

See above. Call me names if you like - I will not respond with similar - reasonable discussion is killed by use of such words.

Sorry - I just assumed you did.

Plenty of evidence. But if you're so confident why don't you and your fellow loonies put up your houses as collateral to indemnify pub employers against future health claims by employees and get the ban overturned.

E.

i hope you;ve all signed the petition

Or better still, offer your houses up as smoking shelters to your nearest pub. Peter