Would appreciate suggestions for a good beer.

Yeah all those weak watery American beers like Arrogant Bastard, Rogue Old Crustacean, Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye, Sierra Nevada Bigfoot, Great Divide Yeti Imperial Stout, Victory Old Horizontal, Sam Adams Imperial Pilsner, Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA, Avery The Beast ....

Man, if only I could find some non-weak watery American beer.

_Randal

Come to Oklahoma ....

Oh, and when you *deliberately mis-understand for comic effect*, it helps if you are funny.

steveb

Several good books on the subject.

I'd start with 150 Clone Brews, and go from there.

steveb

You might also try looking at

for some more recipes. While you're there, check out this guy's brewery and pub. Pretty sweet.

On 2005-12-09, Randal wrote: ...

steveb mentioned Oklahoma. There are **MANY** states that you can't get

*ANY* beers on this list in (nothing over 5% for exmaple). North Carolina just changed their law this past year thanks to a major effort by these folks: popthecap.org

If you can get all these locally, consider yourself fortunate.

Derric

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Looks like I need to define **MANY** a little better ... this site:

says their are 4 states now that restrict the ABV to 6%. They say Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, and West Virginia are the states. I wonder why they don't list Oklahoma? I thought it was lower than 6%. And Utah?

Derric

I see. Because I live in an ass backwards state, I am at fault for being ignorant of even the existence of the mentioned beers.

It was only in the last 20 years that ANY store could be open on Sunday.

No ETOH beverage can be sold on Sunday in my state, even now. With Sunday defined as starting at 11PM Sat and ending 0600 Monday. (How this cannot be seen as a violation of church and state is certainly beyond me.)

And, more to the point, while you took time out to berate me for my ignorance of all the beers I cannot get in my state, you certainly did nothing to answer my question.

I am not a troll and I didn't post a question such as "I think American beers are weak - Please give me grief and flame me.) Re the %ETOH in the beverage, I have had mixed drinks that I could describe as watery in taste. The has to do with the intensity of the flavors not the strength of the ETHO.

And please excuse me, really, I have not taken my Lexapro today. That being said, one might theorize that I am ignorant and don't drink much beer because I usually end up sitting next to someone like you at the bar. All ready to pop off, but usually just half cocked. But again, I don't mean to debase you. I'm just trying to point out how unhelpful your comment was.

Now I've wasted my time posting the question because I am sorry to say I have no doubt offended the regulars here and will get no helpful advice from this point. You wasted your time making comments about the post rather then helping with the question. Now I've gone and pissed away another 5 min pointing out how stupid you seem. And for what? I'm not surprised I have to take my meds. What surprises me is the fact that not everyone has to take them.

I only wanted advice on good beer. Jeez!

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Oklahoma doesn't limit ABV like this ..... only for those beers sold outwith liquor stores.

BudMillCoors however, only supply 3.2% to Oklahoma.

In any event, the actual alcoholic content of beer isn't the only issue .... it's prolly not even the main issue. That has to do with taste and character.

I wrote a little bit about it here:

steveb

Could you be a bit more specific? Do you want suggestions for good store-bought beer or good home brew recipes?

If it's home brew hints you want, then you should also tell if you have any previous experience, or if you're a complete newbie.

I'm kind of a newbie myself, I've only been brewing for about a year now. The easiest way to get to homebrewing is to use no-boil beer kits like

Cooper's, Munton's or Woodfordes. I'm sure there are a lot of other brands that make kits like these, but these are the ones I've used and found good for the money.

Making beer from extract kits like the ones mentioned above also requires very little equipment; just two fermentation buckets/carboys, hydrometer, siphon, capper and bottles. And of course something to sanitize your equipment with.

Instructions in beer kits are usually quite bad, but if you do two things in addition to what's in the instructions then you should come out ok. The

two things are aerating the wort and rehydrating the dry yeast.

If you don't have a local home brew store then there are many home brew

shops online, here's a couple that are located in the U.S.:

And for general information about homebrewing you can see

Hopefully this will be of help.

Bah.

I hardly berated you - this is usenet for God's sake. When you deliberately single out "American" beer, quotes and all to be watery and do it twice it looks a hell of a lot like trolling to me. If not, then my apologies - if you want advice on good beer it would help to tell us where you are located.

_Randal

I think I understood his implication quite clearly.

_Randal

My fave is Leinenkugel...if it is spelled right. Very nice American beer. For foreign beer I go for Stella.

I am many things, I'd even agree to being an ass, but a troll...... Well, maybe once when the net was young, bots ran wild and you could still fish slap people.

But, as stated, I'm looking for a strong ( FLAVOR ), sweet beer. Honey Brown is not bad, but I'd like better.

Also, regarding my comment about American beers, most of the dives I seldom visit carry nothing but Micholobe or Bush, maybe a corona. After a few coronas, the others seem like water.

I live in Greensboro Georgia. If you can find that on a map, you would be doing well. We are home to Atlanta's Elite rich, and the extremely poor with very few in between. GW frequents the Golf course here quite often. They have more police then the population of the city when that happens.

So, lay it on me. I want a good beer. I had something in Ohio in a German restaurant that was very very good. Dark and "sweet." Not very bitter. I've not found anything like it locally. And after a few of the beers I couldn't remember the name.

RC

Okay, a quick google search shows that Oskar Blues (from Lyons Colorado) is now available in Georgia. They are a great microbrewery that cans a lot of great beers. Their canned scottish style ale called "Old Chubb" is malty sweet and delicious. Their "Dale's Pale Ale" is also good but very hoppy so that may not be up your alley.

The dark sweet German beer you had was most likely either a doppelbock or schwarzbier. Two great examples are Ayinger Celebrator and Koestritzer respectively. Both should now be available since Georgia "popped the cap" and has allowed beer up to 14% alcohol since July

2004. Actually if you look around you might find lots of new and better beers making their way to your state.

Here, take a look at this link for other breweries / brewpubs / Good beer stores in GA:

_Randal

Agree with the other poster that this was probably a dobblebock. Another one to look for is Spaten Optimator. Go take a look at

and look under the bocks and dobblebocks for others.

Derric

my husband make a really good wheat beer that sounds like something you'd like. It was a hefeweizen recipe..so I guess you could just look in specialty liquor stores for a weizen type beer. We threw in an extra pound of dry malt extract and made it have more body. He does the beer, I do the wine so I don't know all the ins and outs. But it came out excellent! If you can't find a beer you're looking for,sometimes you just have to make it yourself :) He got used to weizens in Germany and he was looking for it ever since..so that's one of the reasons we started making our own..so we could come up with something we like. Plus it's cheaper than going to the specialty liquor store and picking up a four pack every now and then.

That would be a chocolate malt(steeped) single bock beer with 3/4 ounce hop treatment, half at the beginning half at the end

Depending on where you are Cooper's Sparkling Ale is a good Aussie beer. Full flavour and a kick like a mule.