One in four adults 'has a problem with drink'

How many millions are spent chasing and incarcerating them?

Exactly, the cost of dealing with drunkenness is huge

I meant drug addicts.

Nice to see you outside u.p.d and crossposting!

I don't propose to make a habit of it!

Please do - they're not all lunatics and there are some interesting discussions taking place, one example is that programme about satanic abuse that was on BBC1 last night.

precisely why people need the *choice* of a better intoxicant. cannabis is one such.

Jasbird, Be aware that the subscribers to alt.food.wine do not take kindly to temperance lectures, and we also look askance at people who cross-post which is usually a sign of "trolling". Many afw regulars have likely added you to their "killfile" for that reason.

Dan-O (I will say no more)

Jasbird wrote:

So do I - getting enough of the good stuff at a fair price.

I am reminded of the old crack that work is the curse of the drinking classes.

Tim Hartley

Well, I sure have a problem with drink. It's too bloody expensive !

What? Not true here in the States. For most people, there's still a distinct difference between drugs and alcohol.

Greg G.

It's a difference only in the minds of those people. Alcohol is not only a drug, it is a *hard* drug.

-Pete Zakel ( snipped-for-privacy@seeheader.nospam)

Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey:

I wish a robot would get elected president. That way, when he came to town, we could all take a shot at him and not feel too bad.

Then don't read the Daily Mail! I didn't write it and it's not necessaryly a temperance lecture. The point is that boozing does cause health problems to a large number of people. That's not my argument for banning booze as I believe in freedom.

If you want to close your eyes to the world and pretend that it's not there then go ahead an killfile me. The Daily Mail and their campaigning (or scare) stories aren't going to go away.

Jasbird,

Regardless of your source of info, Dan was trying to point out that your X- Posting is not welcome here - regardless of your agenda. We really do not care what you think and ask that you stop the X-Posting. It is not welcome here.

As for the Daily Mail, many of our subscribers read it, and none saw fit to post this article here.

Thank you, Hunt

He is winging about me posting it to news:alt.food.wine

Aparently wine doesn't have any drugs in it because wine is "food".

No, he was complaining because you cross posted into 4 different newsgroups (including alt.fod.wine). Cross posting in never acceptable "netiquette" and since you post was off topic for the alt.food.wine group (guess what...it talks about appreciation of quality food and wine rather than binge drinking or drug problems) it had no business in this group.

You will notice I deleted the cross post addresses for this reply.

Either your simply a troll, using cross posting to try and cause chaos, or you are a teetotal zealot with an axe to grind. Either way, you're not welcome.

Somehow "PLONK" seems appropriate in more ways than one!

Bob

That goes to show how gravely misinformed the general population is about the concept of a drug in this context (a psychoactive or psychotropic substance). Drugs are often demonized in the media, where alcohol is seen as a separate, though closely associated issue (given the typical way of phrasing things when talking about problems with drug and alcohol abuse). There is no reasonable definition of the word 'drug' however that would distinguish between alcohol and other substances like cannabis, cocaine, coffee, DMT, ecstasy, GHB, heroin, inhalants, LSD, nitrous oxide, meth, opium, tobacco, valium, ...

Alcohol is often drunk for the taste. I know of no drugs that are.

Jose

Alcohol is colourless, odourless and tasteless.

What you mean is the remnants after fermentation.

Yes, which is the method of ingesting alcohol (or more precisely, the alcohol is the method of ingesting the flavor elements).

I know of no drugs which share this property.

Jose