Wet storage

As Davelcorp rightly suggested -- this should be a topic on its own.

To answer Mike Petro's question -- I was defining wet storage the way people in the trade seem to define it in Hong Kong, meaning that it is stored in a dark, high humidity storage space that's usually in the basement or near a hill (i.e. a building that's built on a slope, so the ground floor is essentially in a basement type environment). Humidity is usually at 80% or higher in these places, but not so much that the walls are dripping with water. In fact, I was reading in an issue of puerh-teapot where they talked about storage and how they actually try to control the humidity through the use of chalk, I believe, by spreading it on the ground so that it will soak up some moisture lest it gets too moist.

Then after this treatment, usually lasting one to a few years, the tea will be taken out of this storage space and placed in a dry storage environment, typically called, literally "recede storage", i.e. to get rid of the nasty smell of the wet storage. It takes longer than the wet storage phase itself.

At the end of that, the product you've got is a tea that is well aged, will usually yield a liquor of bright to dark red colour (depending on the tea, I believe, and the amount of wet storage it got), somewhat sweet, has the nice "chen" aroma that we are familiar with, etc.

I've had wet storage teas that I don't find offensive at all. In fact, they are quite mellow, nice, flavourful (better than cooked puerh). They look nastier than dry storage stuff. They're usually duller in its appearance (whereas dry storage pu is shinier on the surface). They have less of the dry "bite". But it doesn't mean it's bad.

I think the obviously bad ones are usually the ones that do get mouldy. That, however, is not the goal of wet storage. Some will tell you that's good for aging the tea, going so far as to say these are what they call "sugar coating" (the white mould). And indeed, mouldy tea with white stuff on it do taste sweeter, but again, it's not the goal of the storage process, as far as I am aware.

I went to a traditional HK teashop during the summer where they specialize in wet storage puerh. Some of the cakes I tried had white mould on it. They don't taste half bad. Looks bad, but if I don't show you the original cake, you probably won't know.

I think any tea over 20 years of age that claim to be "pure dry storage" should be taken with a grain of salt, at the very least. The idea of "pure dry storage" really didn't come into currency until later, and in the 80s people were wet storing everything. In fact, they would consider that to be the proper way to handle a puerh cake. That's why I say most of the older vintage stuff you or I have had have probably gone through some amount of wet storage. There are, of course, dry stored stuff out there that are old. You can sort of tell, sometimes, by the way the leaves are when brewed, etc, but it's not always very obvious, especially if it's only a sample. I certainly by no means am good at telling them apart.

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That is very interesting. Eighty percent is high, but during the summer is not at all uncommon in the ambient air of New York City. Aparments with steam (radiator) heat have very low humidity in the winter. Air conditioners also bring humidity down in the summer.

I believe that Sun Sing does something very similar to what you describe.

Yes. Grand Tea sells a 1970's yellow label which they say is 70% green and 30% black. This is very curious. If they mean wet and dry stored, then *perhaps* they refer to your description of years above. Or perhaps they mean exactly what they say. I've tasted this tea on several occasions and I don't believe that there is truly 30% *cooked* leaf.

I've seen cakes that were *very* shiny. It was almost as though somebody had basted them with butter. (I refer only to the shiny look.) What do you think? Is there a special treatment that produces this?

That is also very interesting. Recently we bought some 1990's cakes that had a good deal of this white mold. The taste of the tea was off. Do you have a suggestion for improving the taste of such a cake?

Hmmm. Our cakes tasted off. Not awful, but with an off-taste.

Well, your point is well taken. Who really knows what a 30 or 40 year old cake has been through during its life? My stored cakes in ambient NYC air are being wet stored during some seasons and dried stored during others, according to what you wrote way above. I have no air conditioning, but I do have steam heat. Some have told me that this is not at all bad for Pu'erh cakes.

Cordially, Michael

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As far as I know anyway, this is a permanent state in the wet storage, which means it's always pretty moist in there. Even in a place like Hong Kong where it gets very wet during the summer, there are days when it's drier (say, down to 60-70% humidity), but if it's ongoing, everyday of the year.... I'd imagine it pretty much stuffs the puerh with moisture.

Sunsing started off as a wholesaler of puerh of the older style, so I'm sure they used to trade a lot in wet stored puerh. The Sunsing operation that we know now is pretty new -- only three or four years old, at most. It was started by the son in the family who wanted to try his hand at high end tea in retail.

I just had a raw/cooked mix cake a few days ago that was simply fantastic. I know my friend who gave me the sample dry stored it since she got it.... probably for 10 years. I think they mean exactly what they say.

I believe it's just good, dry storage, with nice leaves. Unless you are referring to tea with lots of hair?

As far as I know anyway -- this is from other people who've had more expeirence with this sort of thing -- what you're supposed to do is to unwrap everything -- whether it's in a tong, in paper, or whatever. Leave the cake out in an airy place (but not so much that it's always being blown by some sort of draft). Leave it until the cake seems dry, and when you tap it, it rings a bit hollow, much like a dry stored cake. Then you can rewrap it. If you want to get rid of the white stuff, just buy a new toothbrush, wash it clean with water, and then (make sure it's dry of course) use it to scrub the surface. This is routinely done at teashops in Hong Kong. Sometimes it's just to get rid of years of dust accumulation, but it also gets rid of other undesirable things, like white spots.

Give it some time, I think it will get better. Rinse it twice when you drink it might also help. I bought some bricks that were most likely wet stored, or just stored poorly. When I first opened the packet, it smelled rather nasty, and had small white bugs living in the bricks. The bugs are now gone -- I think they must've died because the environment isn't what they can live in (yes, I guess I'm going to drink them!), and I also took the wrapper out under the sun to cook it for a few hours. The really awful smell is also gone, and I'm going to taste it in a month or so to see if the off taste is going away.

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MarshalN

You mean you think they wet-stored some loose leaf and dry-stored some loose leaf and pressed a mixture?

/Lew

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I was thnking more along the lines of the amount of time the cake was "wet" stored and the amount of time it spent in "dry" storage. If he says 30% cooked and 70% green, and he means exactly that, he is saying the leaf is mixed between oxidized and non-oxidized leaf at that ratio, no? But the tea is a little better than excellent. Michael

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Michael Plant

I think that's what he means - the cake is a mix of cooked and uncooked leaves.

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