1982 Chateau Leoville Las Cases

Congratulations! I have a bottle sitting on my rack. Looking forward to it some day.

My son starts college next fall. Since his birth year is 1986, looks like we'll be drinking that Mouton-Rothschild in four years (I hope!)

Joe

] My son graduated from Duke University this past weekend and I brought along ] a bottle of 1982 Ch. Leoville Las Cases for the occasion. We were eating at [snip notes]

Hey, congratulations Bill. That's an occasion that warrants a great wine, and you certainly picked one. I never had much of it in the cellar, and the last bottle went some years ago, but my recollection gibes with your notes. A great wine.

-E

Thanks Emery. Yes, now it's law school. I don't know what I'll break open for that! Bi!!

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Don't get us started on lawyer jokes, we must be careful as we have a soliciter in the house.

Aha! LLC 82, the great enigma. RP 100 pointer. I bought en primeur at GBP 130 a case....it was a lot of money at the time.

I have just sold the last of my 82. I remember the first bottle at our wine club 82 horizontal, about 1989, blind, and I remember saying it was rather mean, and where was the fruit to stand up to the tannins, it was not a patch on Pichon lalande.

And on subsequent tastings, my initial thoughts have been reinforced, all from different cellars, where was this wine going, again it was the lack of fruit.

a fellow club member, with a good palate, told me at Xmas, that he too, is worried about its future.

I therefore sold the rest of my holding, and to get back to the education thread, it helped pay towards my sons university costs.

I am I out on a limb on this one???

BTW, haven't posted recently.............builders in etc.

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Googling up my notes from January I found the following: The wine color was amazingly youthful, no trace of brown, a bluish red with a slightly watery rim. We were also quite surprised to see that overall color was surprisingly light, not a very dense wine, this! Nose was weak and body light with soft tannins but there was good length and a little complexity. A nice little wine... Worth 300USD? No, absolutely not...

It seems there's agreement on the lack of substance in this wine! Anders

This sounds nothing like the wine I drank. I've had the '82 LLC on a number of occasions and it was never weak or thin. The wine was quite concentrated and had wonderfully ripe rich fruit and well integreted tannins. Bi!!

Just another data point (from a blind tasting) of 6 '82s:

Wine B Perfumed nose of earth and cedar, hint of forest floor, but somewhat simple on palate. A St Julien or Margaux? (1982 Leoville Las Cases, My 5th, Group 6th)

But.......my memory is that a small sip late in the evening (the blind tasting was held before we sat down at a huge Bdx-bash) after dinner was quite the transformed wine. Don't think it had enough breathing time before the blind tasting.

Dale

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There's bottle variation, you know... I've got another one of this - we'll see. Anders

] >Googling up my notes from January I found the following: ] >The wine color was amazingly youthful, no trace of brown, a bluish ] >red with a slightly watery rim. We were also quite surprised to see that ] >overall color was surprisingly light, not a very dense wine, this! Nose was ] >weak and body light with soft tannins but there was good length and a little ] >complexity. A nice little wine... Worth 300USD? No, absolutely not... ] >

] >It seems there's agreement on the lack of substance in this wine! ] >Anders ] ] This sounds nothing like the wine I drank. I've had the '82 LLC on a number of ] occasions and it was never weak or thin. The wine was quite concentrated and ] had wonderfully ripe rich fruit and well integreted tannins.

My experiences jibe with Bill's. I only ever had it twice, both my bottles. I thought it was wonderful, with great concentration IIRC.

Sounds like there was an enormous amount of bottle variation, I wonder if maybe there were 2 (or more) bottling runs?

-E

In 2000 -

Leoville Las Cases - this whole flight was an embarrassment of riches, and the best was saved for last. A lead pencil and wax nose, and then a huge hard wine that will need years before it loosens up, but it definitely has the fruit to outlast the tannin. At this point it needs at least an hour in the glass to start to show it''s virtues, and needs many years of maturation to reach it''s peak. It will be great, given time.

And -

1982 Leoville Las Cases - quite dark, the nose a lovely high toned cassis, spice, wax, pencil lead one, complex and interesting. In the mouth, sweet and concentrated, rich, long and a classic structure. My favourite of this pair. (the other was the 82 Mouton).

in 2001 -

1982 - placed at the end by Albert, and rightly so, for as he pointed out, the amount of sweet fruit in this wine might have diminished the impression of the 75, if the order had been reversed. Beautiful effusive nose with cedar, mint, vanilla, and toast, followed by a wonderful sweet sensation on palate and very great length. I''m sure this was the favourite of all present.

In 2002 -

Leoville Las Cases - truly impressive. Cedar and pencil shavings with bright fruit in the nose, massive presence in the mouth, yet soft on palate, with sweet concentration of flavour, and really exceptional length. Nothing here to criticise, except perhaps its absence from my cellar.

Pretty consistent, I'd say. I can dig up a couple more from last year, but they are similar notes.

I would say that these notes were consistant with the '82 LLC that I just drank. The wine (2 bottles in different decanters) was opened and decanted for an hour before we started drinking it. I tasted it upon opening and it was a bit tight at first but I expected it to be a bit closed after being in the bottle for so many years. After an hour it had opened to reveal lovely fruit, great balance and concentration and well integreted tannins. The wine continued to improve over the evening until alas it was finished.:-( Bi!!

. After an hour it had opened to reveal lovely fruit,

Now you have really got me worried, here we have notes from professional and serious tasters which conflict with mine.

The wine was always decanted and left to breathe, yet the divergence in notes is quite remarkable. Is this a bad bottle run?, I think not, perhaps, even blind, we may have known, what was about, and lifted our expectations too high. I will follow this wine with interest, still it did pay for a terms fees :-)

This is what wine appreciation and tasting is all about, you never stop learning.

Cheers JT