A Rant

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Please - there is no "t" here! It's plain gewurz, Gewürz or Gewuerz - but never gewurtz (nor gewertz).

They rarely do that except for capital letters, as in "Oesterreich" for Austria.

Of course not.

M.

It's very easy: It's "gewurztraminer" on the left, and "Gewürztraminer" on the right bank of the Rhine.

M.

(another post that seems to have floated out into nowheresville, some points have already been covered)

It doesn't really bother me if people don't use accents, I didn't myself for years. But someone (I believe Herr Pronay) posted a while back on Allchars, a freeware program available at

As to Gewürztraminer, I checked the Trimach SdR and then the other Alsace bottles I have (Burn, Zind-Humbrecht, and Frick) -none use the umlaut. I did notice the '98 ZH Herrenweg de Turckheim had 15% ABV! The Trimbach '98 SdR is

Like the original poster, I do lament the thrust towards ever-riper, higher-alcohol wines. But in general I don't think there's been a huge shift in Alsace that way (though ZH certainly picks late). I think that Mosel-Saar-Ruwer still has the traditional paradigm, but there's always been vintage variations. What can you do in vintages like 2001? You either increase alcohol a little or sweetness. Dale

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It was probably me. I've been a fan of Allchars for years and often mention it to someone looking for such a facility.

Thanks for posting this. I used to have this program but when I changed computers it got lost in the shuffle and I couldn't remember the web site to get it back.

I have long had the sense that, when it came to Gewurztraminer, the Germans used the umlaut and the French didn't, although I've never done a scientific study to support this belief. FWIW, I looked at a bottle of Columbia Valley Gewurtztraminer and found that the spelling on the front label omitted the umlaut and the label on the back used it. Go figure.

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It would be nice to study a left bank label from before 1918... Elsass-Lothringen was German then, you know... :-) Anders

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Mosel-Saar-Ruwer

There has in general been quite a shift towards drier wines and consequently more alcoholic wines in Mosel. I used to claim for several years that no good dry wines could be made in Mosel but find myself buying more and more of some quite nice specimens :-), for instance a Graacher Domprobst Riesling Spätlese Trocken 2002, with 12%, from Kees-Kieren... Anders

Actually we both did, you first on 3 May 2000, I on 2 November

M.

No need for a specific study - it's the pronunciation/spelling rules.

M.

Thanks for the correction. Unlike you, I didn't check Google.

I figured that much. My point, which I admittedly did not make clear, was which spelling is used on French (effectively Alsatian in this case) labels versus what is used on German labels. I suspect your answer applies in either case.

Is any GW made in Austria? If it is, I suspect the umlaut is used there also.

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Exactly: "u" und France, "ü" in Germany.

Yes.

Yes, and also on the German labels in Südtirol (Alto Adige).

M.