Alsace Grand Cru Tokay Pinot Gris

"dick" wrote in news:Tsenc.3362$ snipped-for-privacy@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:

You are right, but Pinot Gris for a long time was called this in the Alcase. My understanding is that the practice had to be abated, I am surprised that there are any bottles left out there with the tokay label it has been a couple years since I recall seeing one.

It's the same grape, Tokay...Pinot Grigio ...Pinot Gris.... I recently enjoyed a stunning bottle of Dopff & Irion Tokay Pinot Gris Grand Cru with B.C. salmon.

jcoulter wrote:

Really...Tokay as in the Hungarian Dessert wine is same at Pinot Gris..grigio?

I think this has more or less already basically been answered, but to tie up a few loose ends...

Tokay is a grape grown in Hungary, often used in a sweet wine but I believe it is also used for less well know dry wines.

In Alsace Tokay is the name used for Pinot Gris, i.e. a totally different grape.

It has nothing to do with coming from a single vineyard. Regardles of the grape variety, the vineyard may be specified on Alsace wines, and they now have a Grand Cru system.

To avolid confusion with the Hungarian Tokay, The Alsations have agreed now always to use "Tokay Pinot Gris" on labels.

Probably :-)

That's complete rubbish - never believe anything you read on usenet.

Tokay is the Angicised form of a PLACE in Hungary that has given its name to a wine - they use various grapes, mainly Furmint, but NOT Pinot Gris.

Hi Dick

Alsace Grand Cru Tokay Pinot Gris is not complete The "Grand Cru" belongs to the area where the wine comes from, f.i. Hengst, Altenberg Bergbieten, Kirchberg etc. Alsace has 50 area's who are allowed to have Grand Cru on there label

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jenny

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Great. The one I had was Kirchberg and producer was Klipfel.

Year 2000.

I really enjoyed. Rarely do I drink whites with exceptiono of Champaigne or Sparkling.

dick

I corrected my own post even before reading yours. Don't know what came over me.

It is legal. Or at least tolerated. I have seen with my own eyes several non-Grand Cru wines with a specified vineyard.

I believe Grand Crus can be quite large areas BTW, and another objection from some producers, e.g. Rolly Gassmann, is that they prefer to label their wine with a specific vineyard within a Grand Cru area, which they cannot do if they declare it to be Grand Cru. I say "I believe" here because this is half-remembered verbal information. Can anyone verify this?

Are they also uncomfortable about their objections to producers from Southern France using the term "Vendange Tardive"? I think I would be. As a rule I am very much in favour of getting rid of generic uses of Tokay, Champange, Port etc, but isn't "Vendange Tardive" just French for "Late Harvest"?

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Charming or at least completely false anecdote: Legend has it that the Imperial Steward, Laszar Schwendi, after burning and pillaging various towns in HUngary on the orders of his high and benevolent master, brought back the grape from HUngary as a blessing to his loyal Alsatian subjects. For which he is portayed on the marketplace of COlmar, holding a cluster of grapes in his noble hand.

Just for clarity, a quick recap:

The Alsatians used to call Pinot Gris by the name Tokay d'Alsace.

Sometime in the '80s there was an agreement to start phasing out that name, I don't remember a wine from the '90s labeled Tokay d'Alsace. Most 90s wines are labeled Tokay Pinot Gris.

There is a deadline (within a couple years, I think) for total elimination of the word Tokay, already many producers just put Pinot Gris on the label.

There is more discussion in the international community re the Tocai grape in the Friuili region, but unsure of status of those talks. Dale

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First of all, my apologies to group, my "recap" somehow posted almost a day after I wrote it, and covered stuff that others had explained more precisely.

But it got me to wondering re the status of the situation with the Tocai grape in the north of Italy. Does Mike or anyone have the story on the currrent situation there re the use of the name Tocai? Dale

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