Breathable stemware

Jan 28, 2005 56 Replies

] On 6 Feb 2005 09:04:51 -0800, "jo" ] wrote: ] ] ] >Breathable glass is a proprietary process, and inventor Alan Zalayet is ] >not going to patent the process, just produce the stemware. ] ] Because one cannot patent a marketing gimmick perhaps? ] ]

Leo, I was going to reply to Mark L, but yours is more concise.

I've come to the probable conclusion that he won't patent it because there is nothing to patent. Like other tasting glasses its all about shape. The "breathable" is just a marketing gimmick.

You cannot patent a shape that subjectively makes some type of wine taste "better" to a panel!

-E

Patenting provides a high level of protection for 14 years. The inventor seems to be relying on "trade secret" to protect his invention. This is very little protection - if someone reverse engineers his invention, there's nothing stopping clones being sold.

Patents provide a very high level of protection in exchange for disclosing the mechanics of an invention. This in turn drives innovation by fostering derivative works. It also allows the open objective review of the patented invention.

Apparently not.

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You're dropping too many names, too often. That makes me suspicious.

Magnets. This is all making me think of magnets.

Dana

You guys need to hire a *real* Intellectual Property lawyer, because you clearly don't understand IP law at all. If your glasses are indeed special and someone reverse-engineers your glasses, you will have very little protection against being...

...ripped off.

Dana

Since you weren't there, tasting in exactly identical glasses side-by-side with the same wine, and tasting the actual difference, you just can't understand what a great tasting we had.

Professional winmakers and proprietos who voted "wow":

Jeff Cohn of Rosenblum Al Perry of Robert Biale Bill Regan of Foppiano Paul Dolan of Parducci (formerly with Fetzer) Bob Swain of Pasrducci Ed West of Lolonis Adam Richardson of Concannon John Monnich of Silkwood Larry Mettler of Metler Vineyards Tom Mulligan of Field Stone

This is it, guys... Continue to throw out your opinions... that's what they are and you're entitled. I'm going back to work with my guys... my weekend is over and the piles of work are staring me in the face. I'll tell Alan y'all said "Hey!"

Take care and may your glasses all be half full! -- jo

I imagine this would be possible, however pointless it is. We all have learned how utterly false it is that wine should receive oxygen to taste better. Hogwash, pure and simple.

This will sound like heresy, but I have exactly ONE set of wine glasses (all the same size) that I use for almost every wine. The exception is a small drinking glass that I use for Port or other fortified wines. As for the breathable stemware, as Spock would say, "That is not logical."

Dan-O

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It IS heresy. But don't let that stop you. It never stops me. In reality, many red wines do benefit from a larger, shallower glass than the ones used for white wines. The glass is filled only part-way, allowing for the bouquet to develop a little more. The additional surface area of the wine sitting in a wide, shallow, glass also allows more of the aroma to develop. Of course, in my glasses, the wine doesn't reside long enough to develop much of anything....

Glug.....glug....glug....

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Ooh, nooo! What have you done! Allowed the wine to breathe! Shame on you! Anders

I was just thinking the same thing myself...

You obviously didn't read the whole post. I said it doesn't stay there long.....

Porous glass was just one suggestion. I'm not even jumping to that conclusion. It's not even clear to me that the glass inherently aerates the wine as claimed at the Eisch page.

In fact, I rather doubt that the glass alone aerates the wine. Let's apply logic here. The description of the glass says that it "aerates the wine in 2 to 4 minutes". If that's true, then it seems to accelerate breathing by a factor of 5 to 10 times.

But, the glass can't know when to stop aerating the wine. If the glass really causes the wine to breathe at 10x the normal rate, then 10 minutes in the glass will be like an hour or two. Does this really happen?

Cheers, Dana

I read the whole post. I know it doesn't stay there long.

I'm trying a new diet, called a Wine Fast.

Basically, for three days, I drink wine... fast.

:-)

Dana

Maybe they have a little built in solar powdered electric fan blowing down on the wine. Maybe they are using kryptonite to circulate it. My best guess is magnets. But why do we all have to disbelieve it just because we don't understand it. That is rather closed minded.

There's A Sucker Born Every Minute

What makes you think I am close-minded?

Dana

Could it be possible that you irony detector might need new batteries? Or mine?

M.

Hey Dave, ever been to a winery?

Next time you have the chance, check out this radically new technology that allows the wine to breathe (i.e. incorporate air) through a membrane, but doesn't leak. It's amazing! It's magical! It's oak barrels!

"Wouldn't it leak?" That's a good one! = )

... and they often leak a little, at least at first. Smart winemakers will fill them with water for a day or two to pre-swell them before using them to contain wine.

Dana

Well Dana, if we are about to split hairs, wine barrels don't necessarily leak when first used.

Cooperages recommend to sweel the barrels with water before using them as a preventive measure; but if you store your barrels in a humid environment (like our wine caves), and buy the barrels soon before filling them, they don't necessarily leak at all.

When you leave a barrel empty for a prolonged period, you may need to swell them again to prevent leaking when filled.

I can say this from my experience having worked in our cellar with close to 1000 barrels.

Gaston

Did I say something incorrect?

Dana

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