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Happy thanksgiving (US), and a courtesy reminder

Folks in the USA I wish you a very happy and healthy Thanksgiving. Dal;e thankyou for your news group thoughts I find them well timed because I am a real Newbe to this post and I agree with the spirit that you have communicated to us. I personnally like wines and pairing them with foods. When I started to drink wines in the 60's Ontario produced quite undrinkable items other than sherry and port.

I drank many Italian and French wines until Ontario planted vinefera variety and hybrid grapses and as a result became proficient in producing agreeable wines. I now drink Ontario wines for the most part. I started making wine from kits in 2000. I enjoy it and have been quite pleased by the quality of wine the premium kits produce. I started looking at this post about three weeks ago. that is how Newbe I am. I have enjoyed the banter and I have found it very educational.

I do not agree totally with our friend on this post that feels Italy is or should be the one and only source of wine. I firmly believe that the French deserve more respect. The Boreaux region is the grandma for many of our classic reds like Cab Franc, Cab Sauvignon, Merlot.

Italy has a varied climate and soils that allow it to produce a vast number of varieties of grapes and wines with local flavours. Europe has also established the pairing of local wines with local foods to a much greater extent than we have in North America. I include both Canada and the USA in this regard. We are still wrestling with this and will be for a while. This is not a criticism but it is rather a reflection of our more recent production of varietal grapes and wines and our lack of local distinctions in our foods. Canada has cool temperature growing conditions where In the USA you have both warm and cool temperature growing conditions. you have variations in your wines from the same grapes because of this you will have Whites that are acid citrus from cool and sugar mellon from warm.( simplified too much for some of you)

I gather our friend Ernie back from Europe who gags on California wines does not appreciate the warm climate variation and so he should try the cool temperture wines. One of my Canadian collegues found it odd that I had not offered Niagara cool temperature wines as an alternative. Well I felt Ernie wanted USA wines to puke.

I am aware of the many years of high degree of international cooperation there has been between the growers of the Finger Lake Region of New York and the Niagara Ontario growers in developing the varieties and improving the wines in the area.

Take care and have a good holiday

Bob Patrick, Ontario

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Ed

All that sweet stuff that does not like reds maybe a Cab Franc Icewine.(Joke). You may need a Red that does justice to the Turkey and also cuts grease. Maybe a Cabernet Franc would work. Serve a Gewurztrainer with the onions.

You do not have to serve a single wine with a meal. Your allowed to be free!

However Mark has given you better advise.

Bob Patrick

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patrickrj

Tis just after 10 am on Thursday 25th (here in NZ) - some expats USA'ns are already celebrating Thanksgiving in this part of the world, some 16-60 hours before the clock strikes midnight on mainland US.

I do trust that your autumn (fall) harvest was bountiful, and that your turkeys are well stuffed.

Happy thanksgiving to all of Uncle Sam's children, where e're ye may be, yes, even those who will be eating Italian turkey!!!!

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st.helier

Make that 16-20 hours!!!!!

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st.helier

Thanks, although my only "harvest" is currently a huge pile of oak leaves in the yard. Time to get the &*%$ing rake out of the shed.

Dan-O

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Dan the Man

Godd choices Mark. I picked the wine for Thanksgiving, and nobody objected to the Fritz Haag Brauneberger Juffer Kabinett 02, or the Chevillon Bourgogne 01.

No, I didn't feel like taking notes, but the F.Haag had a little sulfur and petrol, but not overwhelming, with none of the spritz I've seen in his other bottlings. The Chevillon was simple cherry fruit melding nicely with subtle oak.

Of course you didn't say whether you would prefer dry or off-dry Riesling, but this was off-dry.

Tom Schellberg

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Xyzsch

I realize that this is a little late, but I've been out of town enjoying the Holiday Week with my sister, her S.O. Lee, the Hoares, Michael Loo and Carol Bryant. I'm sure that Ian will fill everyone in on the details, including copious tasting notes and a play-by-play of dinner at the French Laundry. We also managed to squeeze in some winery visits with Bob Robertson, which was the first time we had all met in person.

I hope everyone here had as good a Holiday as we all did!

Tom S

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Tom S

Thanks Dale for your wise comments on courtesy.

The virtual-ink FAQ is very useful. I continue to feel that some light information about roots and past history of this newsgroup might be a useful addition. Thus as, for example, Google lists a "Timeline" of notable events in Usenet (newsgroup) history on the Google Groups Information page at groups.google.com (where that firm's very large archive resides), likewise a few memorable events occurred in the circumstances leading to the present AFW newsgroup and its current users. (I saw a few of those events, certainly not all.) But a little context-setting can be useful, especially for newcomers. As newsgroups progressed from being for many years the sole public forums on the growing Internet (with its various earlier names and adjuncts), to being the medium whereby Tim Berners-Lee disseminated his new HTML/HTTP or "Web" concept in 1991, to being overshadowed lately by the popularity and capability of those HTML tools, we now have a situation where many Internet users are unaware of newsgroups, or confused about them. Context is antidotal and has often been welcomed. Just a thought for the day.

Incidentally one of the few disadvantages of reading newsgroups today compared to the earlier days is that you no longer encounter the automatically reposted "Netiquette Guidelines" reminders. They used to be in the form of a re-posted article (from 1982) and in 1995 became formalized as the well-known reference document RFC1855 (minus, alas, some earthy but useful advice in its less-formal predecessor).

I wonder finally if anyone posting here from the US has already explained that the "Thanksgiving" holiday is the US version of a harvest festival, manifested in many countries since ancient times, through various holidays and feasts. A widespread custom with local variations. Also of practical importance to US wine merchants, French producers of Beaujolais Nouveau, and to many turkeys personally.

-- Max

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