It was Marmellans

Joseph Coulter wrote in news:nMOdnR1WNOTJoMvbnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

The bodega is, in fact, Celler de Capcanes. It seems to be one of their basic wines (that would explain the 8 euros price in a restaurant). Probably retailing 3 or 4 wines.

If you liked this wine, perhaps you should try some other wines from this cooperative.

Best,

Santiago

Thank you, I knew it was a cheapy, just a good one. While we are here a little off topic but is the pronunciation of Terragona without a hard "g" as in "Terra hona" That seemed to be the way people in the area were pronouncing it.

Thanks for the information.

Joseph Coulter

Joseph Coulter wrote in news:tcadnbfPRIwnEsXbnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

Joseph,

I don't know if what you heard was Spanish or Catalán, but in Spanish, Tarragona has a g that sounds like the g in "goat" as oposed to the g in "gipsy".

ga, gue, gui, go, gu the g sounds like in "goat" ge, gi the g sounds like a spanish j (e.g. "jamón"), but I am not sure there is a phonem in English for that.

Best,

S.

I*knew* that but was wondering if those pesky Catalans have an unusual pronunciation for the go (hard in every other Romance languange with which I have familiarity)

thanks again

Totally OT, but the answer to your question is "sometimes." We retain that rule for words derived from Romance languages (mostly the Normans') whereas the words derived from Anglo-Saxon roots don't follow that rule. So we have "gestation" which has the soft (j) sound and "get" which takes the hard g. Just as with the various Latinate languages, the same holds for c:

ceiling (soft c) cinch (soft) car (hard) cover (hard) cut (hard)

Also, as in the Latinate languages, we can force a hard g by adding a u after it: guitar (hard) guise (hard) guide (hard) guess (hard)

In all those cases, the u has no sound other than changing the sound of the g. That rule doesn't exist with c, though, probably because of the overlap with "qu."

HTH Mark Lipton

Before an "o', the letter "g" is pronounced hard also in Català.

Pronounced fast (as is usual in both languages) the hard g is not overly stressed and so can sound absent to the untrained ear.