Magnetic Ageing of Wine

On the other hand Dale; Magnetic storage certainly ages data. The magnetics that I wear in my hat have caused my head to age and all my hair is gone. Through inductive reasoning it is obvious that it ages wine.

Some things you just have to accept on faith. Magnetic wine ageing ain't one of them.

Salut/Hi Al Kaufmann,

I hope that your threat to killfile me wasn't genuine.

le/on Mon, 31 May 2004 14:35:00 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

After reading what a number of other afw regulars have said about your post, it seems that I made a mistake in reacting as aggressively as I did. I would like to apologise without reservation for suggesting that you might have been employed to plug a product.

I can understand your anger.

Salut/Hi dick,

le/on Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:21:47 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

Well, as I said, in my opinion he did! But after what others have said, this was a case of "if it smells like giraffe, and kicks like giraffe, it isn't giraffe" (to misquote the "Just So Stories" )

Naughty. !! You're _almost_ trolling here. (see the amazing Raspberryphila's post). PLEASE don't make political analogies.

Dick, Here's my argument for vigorously combatting spam, here and elsewhere. Spam now constitutes over 50% of the e-mail traffic on the Internet as a whole. That cost is borne by the users of the Internet and it threatens to significantly inflate the cost of using the Internet. On Usenet, spam consitutes a positive threat to its continued existence. Certainly here in the alt.* hierarchy, groups "exist" (propagate) at the whim of news admins; should the bandwidth consumed by spam grow significantly, it will prompt many news admins to drop more and more of the alt.* hierarchy, including perhaps our own idyllic corner of it. The Usenet is a particular fragile creation, as it's not a big source of revenue for anyone and is supported in part by academic news servers. The moment the costs outweigh the benefits, the party's over and we all will have to find a new place to discuss the minutiae of oenophilia. The way to guard against that unwelcome day is to vigorously combat spammers, closing their accounts, their websites, their open proxies and their compromised home PCs. That being said, it's important to carefully verify that something is indeed spam: vigilanteeism is a dangerous thing, no matter how well intentioned. Once you've confirmed that you're dealing with spam, you next should turn them in. Several years ago, I wrote a brief tutorial here on how to go about doing that:

Mark Lipton

Come on Ian------tell the truth---you are the only Bush supporter in France :-)

I had to get the last laugh on this one.

Ian and Bush----Preventive measures on Terror and Spam.....

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) it hurst to laugh this hard!!!

Raspberryphila's

Mark, but for someone to find our wine posting at most this specific poster would have been commercial.

When I get spam in my regular email it is probably sent to tens of thousands of accounts.

In this case the guy posted about magnets for wine. I am sure it is not all over usenet.

A ways back we had some x rated postings of sexual nature here. They were also on my technology site. I am sure they were everywhere. That seems more like spam to me.

thanks for your explanation.

dick

steel

Depends on the stainless steel. There are lots of different alloys called "stainless steel." See, for example,

Thank you Ian for following up.

Eternal vigilance IS the price of spam-freedom. In this case while cues were present, the situation was not risky (like, for example, email "From" a known-clueless relative, with a mysterious attachment, no body text, and a vague Subject like "Hi").

Surely, deferring slightly a real spammer's proper disposal is better than offending an innocent person. And as you yourself argued three months ago, "newsgroups aren't only frequented by experienced people."

Best -- Max Hauser

This is on good broader points raised by M. Lipton. Initial part is preambulary only.

"Mark Lipton" in news:c9itn4$8nj$ snipped-for-privacy@mozo.cc.purdue.edu...

That is a point worth raising periodically. I'll add for the historically inclined that spam was virtually unheard-of in email, taboo by tradition, for the first 75% or 80% of the history of newsgroups (that is, up until the sudden rapid popularity of Internet use in the late 1990s). Even if none of us participated in newsgroups from their beginning, we can appreciate their traditions. (Which became many of the customs now associated with the larger Internet, though not all users, or writers, know it.)

Separately, if anyone is unaware, Usenet wine discussion is, as far as I can find, by far the oldest public wine forum online, since 1982 (its first newsgroup name being net.wines). You are participating in a continuous history that long predated even the _introduction_ of the WWW interfaces to the Internet (Tim Berners-Lee, 1991, though some people confuse WWW tools with the birth of the Internet itself, or the birth of the Internet itself with whatever moment they happened to hear of it); a forum soon accessed internationally, and publicly accessible in most of the US by the middle or late 1980s (though you had to know about it, and to know at least a little about computers; the interface formats then being more diverse, and not yet pointy-clicky).

Part of the heritage of this newsgroup (however scattered its annals) is early address of meaty issues in the wine world by people from all different perspectives. No central control, no dominant voice. Concrete discussion of the new critic Robert Parker, for example, began here on the Usenet as soon as he came to wide notice circa 1985. (I may need to point out that in the 1980s, most wine enthusiasts in the US remembered a world pre-Parker and therefore could at least place him into perspective without great effort.) This re-posted excerpt (not in Google at present) names names that may resonate today:

From message news: snipped-for-privacy@decwrl.dec.com by Charlie Crabb, 9 May

(Earlier criticisms alleged wine mis-identifications, or inconsistencies when P. tasted the same wine in different circumstances; and presumption in projecting aging potentials given his length of experience. Time may have corrected some of those faults if ever present, though even critics of P. today do not mention the substantive details to be found online then. It may also be necessary to point out today that P. was not a known figure with "camps" in those days; these posters were comparing him with other critics of the day.)

Crabb was by the way also one of the first to record the word "Parkerized."

For What It's Worth. -- Max Hauser

M.

Those kill-files tend to be quite porous... ;-)

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France email link