Ok - I wanna buy good Cab but I'm in Grand Island Nebraska!!??

You have your choice of Grange Red or Feed Store White.(smile)

Now just hold on a minute, is there something you are not disclosing.

I mean, Grand Island may only be a speck in the middle of Nebraska, but it does have a population of over 40,000.

In less than one minute, I found a Goggle reference to -

Grand Island Liquor Mart (formerly Capital Liquor) on North Diers. Fine Liquors on North Broadwell Scagways on South Locust.

Is there some reason why you couldn't do the same? Are you underage? Are you gay, and scared that some of those farmer boys may bend you over their tractor (you wish!)?

And if there is absolutely no wine shop of any quality whatsoever in Grand Island, are you not only an hour or so to Omaha?

My friend, I am in Auckland, New Zealand - so take this advice.

Drag yourself onto your feet and away from that screen - go outside - go find a liquor store, staffed with real people - and engage in the age old art of *conversation*

Who knows, you may find someone far less cantankerous than I - and a bottle of nice Ca Cab for your trouble.

Have you heard of other wines, y'all?

Sounds like a whine to me.

OWWWWW!

Funny yet brutal ;-}

Me thinks JDS wishes he/she had been a little more specific with his/her question. Not sure if it's the 1/2 martini I've consumed or the farmer/tractor reference that is making me LMAO.

All the best,

Larry Southern Ontario

in article 1097639577.802536@ftpsrv1, st.helier at nospam@thisaddress.4me wrote on 10/12/04 8:52 PM:

Are we getting a little too troll-sensitive??? The question in the original post does seem overly simplistic but hardly requiring a two-sledgehammer response. Personally, I found the gay suggestion completely inappropriate, offensive and unnecessary. But that's just me....... I thought this was a wine discussion group populated mostly by folks with an even sense of morality and ethics. Surprise, surprise.

JDS's response predictable though equally offensive.

[] ] response. Personally, I found the gay suggestion completely inappropriate, ] offensive and unnecessary. But that's just me....... I thought this was a ] wine discussion group populated mostly by folks with an even sense of ] morality and ethics. Surprise, surprise. ]

I agree. A very offensive post from someone who is normally a reliable and informative correspondant. Such comments really bring down the level. AFW is usually mercifully free of that kind of stuff.

Not really defending, but I have noticed that my antipodean friends have a somewhat "different" approach to "humor" of this sort. I wonder if this might not be written to a case of cultural wire-crossing, insensitive as it might be.

] JDS's response predictable though equally offensive. ]

Yes, well nothing to be said about that foolishness...

-E

I'm not sure of the wine shipping laws in Nebraska but one can find virtually any Cabernet that you desire by checking online at a number of sites including Zachys.com, Winebid.com, winecommune.com, Brentwoodwines.com, etc. Just google on the word "wine" and you should have enough sites to keep you looking for the next week. Bi!!

Or - the apology you make without making an apology !!!!!

To any and all who *genuinely* took offence at my warped antipodean sense of humour, please accept this as a Bush X Clinton apology - meaning - quite frankly, I don't think that an apology is necessary, but if it makes *you* feel better, then here it is - OK?

Now, here is a whole list of things for which I *do not* apologise.

I *do not* apologise for living in a part of the world where we have *not* lost the ability to laugh, particularly at ourselves. I *do not* apologise for being an intolerant s.o.b. who cannot abide fools; whilst remaining realistic enough to know that I might be one of them! I *do not* apologise for the 99% of my reply which in essence said "Engage your brain; engage your feet, and remove your forefinger from you own fundamental orifice before making inane requests into the cyber world." I *do not* apologise for loving so much about the USA, whilst holding the view that it is also the most hypercritic, moralistic nation on earth, and which may eventually prove to be the greatest factor in the downfall of humanity. And lastly, I *do not* intend to change - I will continue to attempt to bring an irreverent perspective to this forum. I am not without sin; I am an agnostic, rather egocentric, slightly ROC leaning, older bugger (antipodean slang!!!!!!!) who will continue to try to make you laugh and squirm and may even succeed in offending your particular sensitivities, because, frankly my dears, I don't give a damn!!!

in article 1097792023.803557@ftpsrv1, st.helier at nospam@thisaddress.4me wrote on 10/14/04 3:13 PM:

If that's how you feel......... why bother?

If I resemble that remark as well, can I agree wholeheartedly without being accused of plagiarism or mis-appropriation?

Taking ourselves way, way, way too seriously has become a national fixation.

Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled"

[text snipped for brevity only]

AFW would be much the poorer for your absence. I say this as a loyal American who agrees with most of what you say.

Vino

And _that_ sounds like a *good* thing, when you put it that way! :^D

I mean, humanity is one of the worst attributes of humans - isn't it?

When somebody really f___s up, isn't the most common cause human error? "He's only _human_." - Right?

IOW, the best thing we humans could do is attempt to rise above that which makes us human.

(antipodean

I liked everything about that (understated though it may be) except for the out-and-out plagiarism from "Gone with the Wind". A topnotch curmudgeon should write _all_ of his own material. ;^)

Tom S

"JDS" in news:1097630170.tEqqSIde151p0Hz8rrH9eQ@teranews...

A fairly "pure" exemplar of postings in the current era of newsgroups. (Remember my efforts at this 1-April-04, Subject: Some modest questions .)

Follow-up by original poster was gratifyingly consistent.

I agree that St H's response was disproportionate in places (also, this habit of blaming entire nations for things has led to bad consequences in history), but still the problem that he lampooned in his original response is very real.

-- Max

Look what has become of rec.food.drink, after all the wine traffic left it

10 years ago and moved here.

] Or - the apology you make without making an apology !!!!! ] ] To any and all who *genuinely* took offence at my warped antipodean sense of ] humour, please accept this as a Bush X Clinton apology - meaning - quite ] frankly, I don't think that an apology is necessary, but if it makes *you* ] feel better, then here it is - OK? ]

Sure that's OK, and to my view fair enough. I respond because I think the logic touches on why the original statement would be offensive to some.

In any international or multicultural group norms of politeness dictate avoiding offense to group members. This sensitivity is what seemingly prompted you reply above.

I remember when a callow youth I used to hang a lot at my friend David's place up in the Bronx. One day when his Mom was driving me back downtown, his little sister (maybe 4) saw a white guy crossing the street and yelled "big points! Get whitey!" or words very close to that. An uncomfortable silence followed, and I'll bet she got a _serious_ talking to later. (I'm white, BTW). What was clear to me was that there was an installed culture of separation, which (maybe more for David than I) was a sort of barrier that wouldn't have existed had we shared the same skin color. Although I may never have given it any thought, to the little girl I was "different," and what's more an object of some humor. (FWIW I was surprised but not particularly offended at the time, did laugh it off, and accepted the apologies of the embarrassed Mom without reserve.) Your comment reflects a similar cultural bias.

For the record, hate crimes against gays in the US, or for that matter here in France, are no laughing matter. It seems to me that implicitly deriding a population -- whether that's your intent or no -- by making a joke that touches on a deeply felt issue is insensitive at best, but certainly entirely inappropriate in a multicultural ng.

To mis-quote the words (if not actions) of our US president: "Be a uniter, not a divider." (Hmm, is uniter really a word at all?) That's why we welcome newbies, answer questions, avoid flames, follow netiquette, right? It's hard to imagine that a gay reader would find your comment welcoming.

As for your dismissal of the hapless OP, or words below, I have no problem with it at all. Personally I wondered if you had too much time on your hands when I saw the response to a post I ignored completely.

Like "Vino" I appreciate your posts and even your warped sense of humor. (Not sure that most americans know what "bugger" really means, BTW, but maybe some Britcom explained it.) I'm not asking -- not that it would do any good! -- for a change. Nor I am particularly "politically correct," I just felt you had crossed the line with this one.

'Nuf said, I accept the apology in the sense you meant it, I hope this explains a little where I'm coming from here.

-E

] Now, here is a whole list of things for which I *do not* apologise. ] ] I *do not* apologise for living in a part of the world where we have *not* ] lost the ability to laugh, particularly at ourselves. ] I *do not* apologise for being an intolerant s.o.b. who cannot abide fools; ] whilst remaining realistic enough to know that I might be one of them! ] I *do not* apologise for the 99% of my reply which in essence said "Engage ] your brain; engage your feet, and remove your forefinger from you own ] fundamental orifice before making inane requests into the cyber world." ] I *do not* apologise for loving so much about the USA, whilst holding the ] view that it is also the most hypercritic, moralistic nation on earth, and ] which may eventually prove to be the greatest factor in the downfall of ] humanity. ] And lastly, I *do not* intend to change - I will continue to attempt to ] bring an irreverent perspective to this forum. I am not without sin; I am an ] agnostic, rather egocentric, slightly ROC leaning, older bugger (antipodean ] slang!!!!!!!) who will continue to try to make you laugh and squirm and may ] even succeed in offending your particular sensitivities, because, frankly my ] dears, I don't give a damn!!! ] ] -- ] ] st.helier ] ]

I realsize that Grand Island, NE is not the wine center of the world, or even the US, but you should still have quite an array available to you. I do not believe that there are any bans on wine, maybe just a limited selection. Many other parts of the US suffer from this - even Phoenix, AZ, the "fifth largest city in the US," at the moment.

What you might wish to do is give the subscriber base some idea of what you want in a Cab, and then the suggestions will come rolling in. Now, some might require work to find in NE, but many should be readily available.

I just did some TN's on the '97 Beringer Knights Valley Cab, which is a pretty low price point Cab, and a lot of good wine for the $. First rec would be to go to

and search this NG for some Cab recs. I'll be you find a ton from the $US 20/btl up to the stratosphere.

Does NE allow out-of-state shipping? K&L wines in SF ships to much of the US and has tons of Cabs. Many others probably do, as well.

Tell us what you like, and how much you wish to pay, then you can match what is available to what is recommended.

Hunt

Fair enough, chief. I already made a pledge to avoid politics in future posts, and the future starts now.

Dan-O (non-politically speaking)

I'd like to discuss this further, but not here. It's gotten way too OT.

Tom S