Re: New to wine

Scrawney asks,

> >> >>Anyone recommend any nice starting point to acquire a taste >>for wine?? Nothing too expensive, but not cheapo stuff either. >>A few suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> > > Boy, you are asking the Question of the Century. > > If any of us knew for sure what beginners would like, the wine world would be > a different place! > > You need to have a dialogue with a retailer, but I can say, from decades of > watching consumers, that certain "rules of the road" seem to prevail with most > audiences: > > 1. Keep it simple. Wines with straightforward fruit flavors and obvious yet > intriguing characters are in favor. By this I mean the presence of intriguing > fruit aromas, oak, or spice, or toastiness; flavors which reach beyond what > other beverages can provide as a flavor profile. > > This is the term "complexity", which all wine professionals abhore as a > meaningless term (because it's vague), yet I maintain does signify something to > the beginner. > > 2. Avoid pain. Don't laugh, but many classic wines can actually be a painful > experience to the beginner. By "pain", I refer to a tartness stronger than > grapefruit juice in whites, and tannin levels (that "chewey, drying taste") in > reds that can be off-putting. For some people, an excess of alcohol in New > World wines from warm climates can also be an unpleasant experience. Modern > winemaking techniques have led to fresher, softer wines over the past 25 years, > but wine is wine, and for many, it may be an acquired taste. > > Winemakers are improving the taste of wine, NOT for those who have never tasted > the stuff, but for those experienced drinkers seeking a better balance for food > and such. > > In that regard, beginners have better choices now than ever before. > > 3. Sweetness is the "default" when appealing to less-sophisticated audiences. > > Unless from a noted sweet-wine region, such as Germany, table wines the world > over are supposed to be "bone-dry", defined as having practically no > fermentable sugar. > > However, rogue producers proliferate in all wine-producing countries. If the > product, classicly defined as "dry", such as a chardonnay or a zinfandel, is > perceived as being too "hard" for local sensibilities and marketability, some > fermentable sugar may be allowed to remain, in defiance of custom. > > There is an unfortunate holdover descriptor from the 1970s, "mellow", which > refers to consumer-driven, easy-drinking wines of this type. Avoid them if you > intend to pursue this issue seriously. Get used to a little pain; "no pain, no > gain". > > Sugar softens the acid and tannins, and makes a wine "approachable" at first > blush, but the end result may or may not be what is desired in a mealtime > setting. > > At this juncture it may be wise to ask what should have been the first > question, "what is the occasion?". > > As cocktail wine, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a slightly sweet > chardonnay or zinfandel. Hell, I'll even swig a white zinfandel on a hot summer > day, as a beverage, if not "wine". However, as serious dinner fare, I > withdraw my endorsement from doctored wines. > > As an introductory recommendation for the beginner (and I'm sure to be slammed > by the professionals for this), I would recommend the following wine types: > > WHITE > > Riesling, dry, sweet, whatever. The least "painful" in taste, some of the best > German wines are 8% alcohol and smooth as silk. The best Riesling is still the > best white wine in the world. > > Chardonnay, the world's commodity white wine, once (in the 1960s) as scarce as > hen's teeth, now available in all incarnations, yet still reliably of some > flavor interest, if sometimes innoucuous. > > Gewurztraminer: impossible for many to pronounce (Geh-wurz-trah-MEENER), a very > floral wine with (in its best incarnations) a spicey taste, and suitable for > cocktails as well as Thai food and ham. > > Viognier: a rather scarce variety of grape, which makes some intensely floral, > fuity wines in the New World. In its native Rhone Valley of France, it's a > floral, yet hot, oily-textured, different kettle of fish. > > Try also the new varietals of southern Europe, which have found their way to > our tables in the past dacade: Pinot Gris (or Grigio), Rousanne, and Albarino. > You are more likely to find these wines as imports from Europe, and they make > wonderful accompaniment to seafood. > > REDS: > > Cabernet is King, and also the least likely to appeal to a novice at first > tasting. Cabernet is an acquired taste, what with the tannins and a cedary, > vinous aroma which is hard to define (1ST RULE OF SIMPLE WINES: have a > defineable aroma). > > For simple taste associations, the obvious choice is Pinot Noir, which in its > purest form exhibits strong cherry aromas and soft mouthfeel and tannins. Good > Pinot Noir used to be so scarce 25 years ago that it was never recommended for > beginners; however, today it is commonplace, and very versatile both as a > cocktail wine and as an accompaniment to a wide range of foods. > > For sheer softness and approachability (that is, if you have friends who will > simply NOT drink red wine), I offer up its "baby" sister, Gamay Beaujolais, or > Beaujolias from France (made from the Gamay grape). > > Beaujolias Nouveau from France, which appears at retailers' in November and is > available throughout its first year of existance), is almost soda-pop in > simplicity, and makes a wonderful cafe guzzle. > > Serious reds beyond this check-point are your own risk; but if a retailer > snuggles up to you with a friendly bottle of Syrah (or Shiraz, as it's known in > Australia), take him up on it. > > By that time, you'll be "hooked" on the potential of what great wines can do > for your enjoyment of wine. You can cast off your training wheels and be on > your way. > > Best of luck to you! You have presented a most interesing question to a wine > group which often gets bogged down in esoterica. > > By the way, if you live in the US, any of my recommendations can be had at > entry level for quality for about 8 bucks. No need to spend more than $15 for > the best of my recommendations! > > Good luck > > ---Bob >

Much appreciated, thanks for such a comprehensive reply.

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Scrawny
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Thanks Bob for a succinct and readable offering of introductory wine advice! Maybe it belongs in an FAQ list (right after "how and how not to use newsgroups." -- I lately assembled a very terse summary of the latter for some email correspondents, for example).

If I might put forward one or two related observations from my own perspective --

"RobertsonChai" in news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m15.aol.com...

I don't believe that this point can be over-emphasized. Wine merchants have a literally ancient tradition of seeking out wines and making the public aware of them. They tend strongly to be wine hobbyists themselves. Wine merchants, whose livelihood depends on satisfying their customers with actual wine rather than, for example, on selling publications, have historically composed (or so one of them, Coates, wrote) most of the people to pass the notoriously difficult British Master-of-Wine examination (when I had the numbers a decade ago, there were 13 MWs in North America and two of them near me both worked in retail, although one of those, Peter Marks, ended up at the Coppia center/museum in Napa).

This may surprise observers of large US labels like K-J, Meridian, and Fetzer (AFTER its founding family was bought out by a vast wine-spirits conglomerate). It is easy to condclude that large manufacturers are in the business of returning profit to their shareholders. This, in turn, favors catering to a broad public and if reaching out to the many people in places like the US who do not traditionally drink wine. Bob however then adds

Though some unnecessary "pain" has traditionally come accidentally to people who reach to wines of high reputation and find them off-puttingly bitter only because they are being opened at once whereas intended for five or ten years of cool aging first.

Finally in contrast to "mellow," a trend _after_ the 1970s, which some consider unfortunate too, was summarized once as follows. The population that pays attention to, and describes wine centrally by, numerical scores in publications is a specific and recent segment of the fine-wine-consuming public. (Some of that segment appears unaware of this.) The very process of following such scores distorts, demonstrably, both prices and winemaking. (Veterans will have noted the absence of recommending this seductive, saccharine path as an implicit cue of wisdom and experience in Bob's advice.)

My dreigrosschen worth. (With due respect to Kurt Weill.) -- Max the Knife

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Max Hauser

Well so far I've been tryin Santa Rita 120 Sauvignon Blanc, Santa Rita 120 Merlot, and some Faustino V Reserva all of which have been nice the Sauvignon Blanc would be my personal favourite. The Faustino had a little bit of the pain factor mentioned but as I got through the bottle I began to take a shine to it. It was only just over 35 euros for the 3 bottles aswell which was grand.

Would anyone have a recommendation of a nice Rose to get my hands on?? Anything up to about 30 euros.

Cheers again, Ronan

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Scrawny

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