Sangiovese

Sorry, I do not use Tuscan as a reference when tasting Sangiovese. It makes no difference to me where a varietal originated. I only care what I am tasting and rate it on its own merits or lack of and not as compared to Tuscan wines.

What exactly is the purpose of such a comparison that you demand must take place? So I taste a Sangiovese made elsewhere. Why do I need to say its this or that as compared to some Tuscan wine? Sorry, I just do not base my judgment on a particular wine based on any other. Each stands on its own.

Probably true. The wines made elsewhere could be much better!

Nils Gustaf Lindgren wrote: > > UC wrote: >> >> miles wrote: >>> >>> UC wrote: >>> >>>

Really? I just checked with Oz Clark and according to that the planted area in Argentina is a very paltry piece of land compared even to Lombardia (Valtellina), not to mention Piemonte. Yuo have a source for that?

My info comes from WinePros. Look again at the myth about Nebbiolo and Piedmont. Only about 3% of the wines produced in Piedmont is Nebbiolo. Even Dolcetto is at least double that of Nebbiolo. Barbara is many many times the production of Nebbiolo in Piedmont. Even though the region is well known its production levels are small.

Laws have recently changed in the USA. We can now buy and transport wines from state to state without having to go through a distributor as was the case. Even without the new laws I could purchase wines from overseas and pay the duties and tarrifs as they apply. Generally in small quantities such fees are almost always ignored anyways.

miles wrote in news:KztEg.969$rT5.458@fed1read01:

maybe where you live, but until recently it was a felony in my state (Florida)

The laws have changed just the past year or so. The supreme court made a ruling in a case in Michigan. I believe they ruled the state can not have different rules for in state wineries vs. out of state as far as distribution goes. Distribution laws must be the same for in state and out of state wineries. Michigan had laws that heavily favored in state wineries. The result of the ruling pretty much set the course to allow wineries to direct ship to individuals. While the ruling doesn't directly apply to other states it forces states to change their own laws. Florida can no longer go after wineries that direct ship to FL residents is my understanding.

Miles, That is understood in light of the difficulty in making good Nebbiolo. Even in Piemonte, most of the land is just not suited for growing (quality) Nebbiolo. In fact, even within Barolo there are favored plots (most notably in the Langhe) which is why those same producers make Barbera D'Asti and Dolcetto D'Alba. And while I haven't had any Oz Nebbiolos, I can attest to the fact that none of the Californian Nebbiolos did anything for me. They tasted anonymous and uninteresting, a bad combination.

Mark Lipton

Could be just as much the winemakers as the region. How old are the wines in California vs. Piedmont?

A few months ago I spent a couple weeks wine tasting several regions around California. I visited about 50 wineries. Out of that I found only 5 wineries that had wines I found truly great. The rest were uninteresting. The winemaker or other factors had more to do with whether I liked the wine than the region since the region was not the difference between them. I'm not trying to say that region doesn't play a huge role. It's just that I tend to think the winemaker plays an even bigger role. Two winemakers both make wine from the exact same vineyard. One tastes like crap, the other is incredible. Happens all too often.

Mile, It is no myth - nebbiolo is a small variety even in Piemonte, with small yields, high overhead (cellaring costs), and consequently expensive. I do not think anybody has claimed otherwise. Still, my source claims a planted area of 2000+ hectares in Piemonte, and less than 100 in Argentina. The Barberas are coming into their own, these days, at prices you can afford (don't get me wrong - I buy Barolo too, it's just that I cannot afford it).

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

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One variety that surely has come up in the world by moving away from home would be gewurztraminer. I find the products of Termeno (Tramin) distinctly uninteresting (based on a one-day excursion - I'm a bloody specialist, then). Definitely inferior, as a group, to Alsace gwz.

Same Pinot gris, I shouldn't be doubting only I never had a PG from Bourgogne. Very little production and goes into Bourg Grand Ordinaire -"not grand, definitely ordinary".

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

WTF? I don't have to prove it.

I already discussed this, moron.

Who gives a damn what you do or think?

Better? Better than what?

Opps. I meant vines. Dang keyboard makes typos now and then.

Has DNA testing been done to prove it? It's a valid question.

For decades people said California's Zinfandel originated in Italy (Primatovo). We now know from DNA testing this just isn't so. Hasn't stopped Italy from attempting to use the Zinfandel name as it's own borrowing on the popularity elsewhere.

You seem to. You attempt to tell me and others that we must use Tuscan as a reference. Reference for what purpose is unknown but you still make that attempt. So yes, you do care.

Just when it appears that there might be some reasonable grey matter between his ears..

Michael Scarpitti reverted to type by writing ....

OK Michael! - be a good boy Find a mirror Look at yourself closely Repeat these words Over and over...

"Who gives a damn what you do or think?" "Who gives a damn what you do or think?" "Who gives a damn what you do or think?" "Who gives a damn what you do or think?"