Sangiovese

ROFLMAO. Of all the people on this Ng to use that retort.

hooroo...

Sure there are producers in the USA that borrow names. However, they make no attempt to claim the name as their own. The wine is named after the grape used. However, it is my understanding that in Italy some wineries are wanting to use Primitovo grapes but produce a wine called Zinfandel.

Miles, Carole Meredith's research showed that Zin and Primitivo are indeed very, very closely related, enough so that they could be called two clones of the same grape. However, it is also now recognized that Zin is indistinguiable from an obscure Croatian grape known as Crljenak kastelanski:

Mark Lipton

miles wrote in news:62OEg.1388$rT5.334@fed1read01:

Yup they borrow names, but not the grapes. Chablis in CA was made from IIRC Columbard grapes sweet and sticky and not the least bit of Chardonnay. Hearty Burgundy from Gallo similarly never saw a pinot noir grape.

The studies I read did show them very closely related but the Zin grape did not come from Primitivo. So they both came from some other grape such as Crljenak?

As I said, anything goes with the lower end wines in the USA. Chablis is generally one of them. Jug wines have any and all names.

miles wrote in news:gkPEg.1395$rT5.1193@fed1read01:

Uhh, you said and I quote "Sure there are producers in the USA that borrow names. However, they make no attempt to claim the name as their own. The wine is named after the grape used."

CA Chablis was named after a French region and had none of the varietal in it.

As you point out, Chablis is a region, not a grape varietal so not sure what your point is.

miles wrote in news:TlQEg.1400$rT5.841@fed1read01:

if you had not snipped your material you would see that you had claimed that Sure there are producers in the USA that borrow names. However, they make no attempt to claim the name as their own. The wine is named after the grape used."

but that is not true the producers named the wines after the region not the grape. I will not discuss this further as you are obviously not trying to be consistent in your argument.

It's certainly possible. The history of Primitivo in Puglia only goes back 150 years (demurral: it may have been there much longer but not been officially recognized), which then forces the question of where it came from, along with where Zin came from (it's known that Zin arrived in the US from the Imperial botanical collection of the Austro-Hungarian empire, but the name is a bit of disinformation since it's a corruption of Zierfandler, a white grape). So, Croatia is a perfectly logical source, since it resides across the Adriatic from Italy and was in the Hapsburg empire in the 19th Century. There is also speculation that it may have reached there from Albania or Greece, so who knows?

Mark Lipton

As did "Champagne," "Burgundy," "Rhinewine," "Port" and assorted other "borrowed" names.

Mark Lipton