Should we review supermarket wines?

Eric writes, on another thread

>Folks, > > I found a very decent and inexpensive Cabernet: Oak Creek 2002. At >$4.00 a bottle it is well worth a try and I must say at twice the cost of >Two Buck Chuck it is more than twice as good ;-). > >Thanks, >Eric >

Eric--thank you for the recommendation!

Actually, there are dozens of decent $4 (US) cabernets on the market right now---and that's as it should be.

There is a huge glut of quality wine in the US right now, and it affords all of us some opportunities. Perhaps we should open up a thread here, on wines under $6, and solicit recommendations.

However, it would be more fun if we found some members to post the results of blind tastings on some of these wines (Robert Parker obviously isn't reviewing them).

Industry people will often "plant" posts to newsgroups, posing as consumers, and recommend--depending on the newsgroup-- a particular video game, rock album, Hollywood film, mutual fund, etc.

However, in this group we have to take it on faith that the recommendation is genuine---and at 4 bucks, who could go wrong, anyway?

Eric, I believe your recommendation is genuine and I welcome you to the discussion.

I think it's high time we talk about the everyday stuff we drink with chicken or pot roast.

A favorite and long-dead writer, Leon Adams, once said (and I am paraphrasing),

"Why are we always talking about Sunday wines? [that's what he called them]

"There are plenty of other wines which can bring enjoyment to everyday situations".

I agree. Even in the Medoc they drink Bordeaux Superior on weeknights. In Burgundy, they drink Beaujolais.

I open this to the group:

Some of these brands, such as Two-Buck Chuck, or Sea Ridge (Safeway's $3 wine), or Oak Creek, may disappear when the wine lake dries up.

Industry forecasts for the late 00s in California suggest that we may return again to shortages of quality everyday wine. But the vinicultural engines of Italy, Spain, Argentina and Australia are already starting to pump massive quantities of really decent, affordable wines to our shores, and also to all of the countries represented in this newsgroup.

Some of these made-up brands, such as Oak Creek, go out to target geographic markets, and may be a passing phenomenon.

Even Two-Buck Chuck (Charles Shaw) is essentially a localised, California phenomenon--though it is available in some other states.

But there are several "hot" international brands, now, from Australia, Chile and Italy. Why not review them?

Many years ago, Mouton-Cadet (from Baron Philippe) became an international supermarket wonder, and a number of Burgundy negociants created their cheaper blends of "Chablis", "Puilly Fuisse" and such. And then there was Blue Nun, from Germany.

Should we perhaps include some discussions here of these "weekday" wines?

Ten years ago, I would have dismissed this idea. But now, with the cost of a "good" bottle of wine surpassing the price of a fine restaurant dinner course for two, shouldn't we reconsider?

There ARE, after all, a number of supermarket brands to avoid.

I leave this to the newsgroup. What say ye?

---Bob

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RobertsonChai
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Personally, I read reviews of wines at all price levels with interest. I'd love to find an under-$5 wine I really enjoyed, but those are few and far between. I'll post a note on the Borsao this week, but even that has crept up to the $6 mark! And the Rex Goliath PN seems to have gone from $5.50 to $7 or $8 locally.Ditto the Iche "Les Heretiques" .

But keep the notes coming, so I know what others find worthwhile.

Dale

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Dale Williams

snipped-for-privacy@aol.comdamnspam (Dale Williams) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m29.aol.com:

Not quite supermarket, but KVW's Roodeberg (red mountain, really!) is at the 8.99 price at one local source a steal, full bodied and moderately tannic cab blend with a nice finish. It drinks somewhat like Greysac +.

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jcoulter

That should be KWV, BTW. And at $8.99 it IS a steal, we pay even a tadd more at our local supermarkets in SA!

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LC Geldenhuys

LC Geldenhuys wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Elsewhere it is 12.99 go figure. Still tastes the same;-)

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jcoulter

Aah, that's more like it! Although I suspect the profit goes to the supermarkte/importer instead of back to SA ;-) !

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LC Geldenhuys

The 2002 KWV Roodeberg is listed for less than 10 Euro even here in Finland, where we are blessed with an alcohol tax on wines.

I think I'll find and buy some bottles.

I've recently been looking for good red wines that are ready for drinking now. Do you think the 2002 would be ready now?

Cheers,

-Topi Kuusinen, Finland

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Topi Kuusinen

Topi Kuusinen wrote in news:E2tfd.253 $ snipped-for-privacy@read3.inet.fi:

2002 is what I'm drinking at any rate ;-)
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jcoulter

Sure - I've had a few of these this year, all drinking well. If you ask me - I'd guess they'll keep up to five years but not necessarily improving - any opinions out there? Anders

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Anders Tørneskog

Bob, You nearly read my mind. I was just contemplating doing my annual/occasional "What are your current house wines?" survey. Of course, this is a bit different from "supermarket" wines in the sense that many denizens of this group will find good, cheap non-mass-market wines such as the Borsao that will grace the shelves of only a few supermarkets (Whole Foods wine selection is usually quite interesting, if overpriced like all else in the store).

FWIW, I've recently posted tasting notes on several inexpensive wines, one of which at least is a true supermarket wine: the 2001 Woodbridge California Cabernet. I also posted notes on the 2004 Verramonte Sauvignon Blanc from Chile that retails here in IN for $8.99. The trouble with most supermarket wines is that there is little to recommend them. I remember an issue of the Wine Advocate some years ago where Parker did in fact taste through a selection of jug wines from a supermarket and found one or two to his liking (out of maybe 20).

I think having a regular thread of "attractive wines in the under- range" would probably fit the bill and provide enough flexibility for the international audience that this newsgroup has.

Mark Lipton

p.s. My supermarket sells Villa Maria Private Bin SB and six or so different Chiantis. Nyah nyah! :P

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Mark Lipton

I'll jump on this thread, but change the subject. My wife and I try to enjoy the "lesser expensive" wines as much as possible. We're not always successful in picking a $4.99 bottle off the shelf at random, but often we will get lucky and find something we both enjoy.

Some of those cheap ones, however (despite being enjoyable), produce most terrible headaches the following morning (for both of us). This never happens with a "better" wine. Any similar experiences? Does anyone know what causes this and is there a way to avoid them (while still finding occasional $5 bargains)? tia

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Vincent

You're not alone. Try taking a Tylenol before going to bed. Excedrin also works, but has caffeine, which may cause a different problem.

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Steve Grant

Hi Vincent, Just curious, is it "cheap" vs. "better" ... or red vs. white? I have a friend who can't drink red wines of any kind because they give her a headache. She doesn't have any problem with whites in any price range.

Like I said, Just curious, Dick R.

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Dick R.

in article fSzfd.16625$ snipped-for-privacy@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com, Vincent at snipped-for-privacy@hellokitty.gov.jp wrote on 10/26/04 3:04 PM:

In my experience it's a pretty well known fact that the tannins in Red wines can cause headaches in sensitive individuals. It has something to do with the tannins binding with starch in the blood, and thereby reducing the serotinin levels in the brain. (I'm not medically trained, but that's how it's been described to me.) One piece of literature I've seen also suggests that tannin levels in red wine increase with time of wood aging. Could be a clue to the quality/headache relationship there. I'm sure some of the regular posters here have some info from that angle.

Personally, I am prone to vascular or cluster-type headaches which can sometimes be brought on by red wine. I pretty regularly take 3 tylenol (acetaminophen) within an hour or so of red wine consumption (definitely do it before going to sleep).... and it works. I can't justify the 3 tablet figure, but I weight around 200lbs..

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Midlife

in article Xns958E9224F537A225stellar@216.196.97.136, jcoulter at snipped-for-privacy@comcast.net wrote on 10/26/04 11:21 AM:

I found '01 KWV Roodeberg at a local South African-themed shop in Southern California, selling for US$16.95. Sounds pretty steep, but I picked up one bottle to try, based on comments in this thread.

They also recommended '00 Boschendal "Lavoy" and '01 Migration Cab/Merlot. Any comments on those?

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Midlife

Topi,

That would depend solely on which 2002 reds you are talking about. Do you have a few examples of these from either your cellar, or your local retailer?

Hunt - from the US, where the alcohol tax blessing is in existance, as well...

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Hunt

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Mark,

I'll put my list together for when you start the thread. I've also tried to add some TN's on "value priced" wines, though I have to admit that some got pretty esoteric, especially on an international level.

Along those lines, I find that there is a bit of a gulf between international value reds in AZ. One either has the plonk, or must be ready to shell out US$

30/btl. I see a lot of nice "drinkers" on the shelves in many other states, and hear about a ton more here, and in the WS.

Also, I freely admit that one man's value wine, is another's "special occasion wine."

Looking forward to your "house wines" thread.

Hunt

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Hunt

Why? I can't tell you. A possible cause could be excessive tannins, that cause a bit of dehydration, as most reds do, but with more profound results. Some years back, a business insider, who staged about 100 tastings and dinners/ year, told me that he always downed an 8oz glass of water/glass of red - NO lemon please. I try to follow this advice, and in the years, have not suffered from any headaches, however, this could be because I try and limit myself to "better wines." Though, at some of the events that I must attend, the wine list is greatly limited. You might want to consider the hydration issue. AND good luck.

Hunt

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Hunt

snipped-for-privacy@hunt.com (Hunt) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news4.newsguy.com:

reference here was to Roodeberg a SA wine that is drinking well now.

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jcoulter

Interesting idea, but I think that the tannin/serotonin connection is mostly concerned with migraines -- and is controversial even there.

You are aware of the liver toxicity issues with alcohol/acetominophen? Will no other NSAID work?

Mark Lipton

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Mark Lipton

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