TN: Corked wines at the CIA

Jan 30, 2010 20 Replies

Some friends asked us if we would join them for dinner at the St Andrews Cafe at the Culinary Institute of American in Hyde Park. I hurried home from work and we drove north. arriving just in time. My first time on this campus (quite nice and collegial, though the route from parking to restaurants could be better defined)



This evening was part of their dinner series, the theme was Slow & Savory Cooking. Just in case it sounds like I'm carping/complaining, let me say at the outset that I had a good time, I found the kids delightful in their trying so hard, and the food was mostly good.



There was a nice bread basket brought out (including cheese biscuits that I really loved), and then an amuse of crusted goat cheese topped with candied pecan and orange. Tasty, but crust separating, and I personally thought a dish that would have been far better hot than room temp. They brought the wine for the first course, a bubbly, the NV Clinton "Naturel." I wasn't at all fond of this wine, canned pears with a metallic edge, a little sweetness, short, herbal. C



The first real course was my favorite of the night, a slow-roasted cauliflower and garlic soup with beet chips on top (and black truffles, though I only got one tiny bit that I noticed). Really a wonderful soup, and a perfect thing on a cold cold night.



The next course was braised beef short rib ravioli with pecorino and a side of caramelized onions. Filling great, ravioli could use a little work. Now, one can see into the kitchen, and in front of the kitchen was the bar. A student was very carefully filling glasses (I think about 40 people were in dining room), and servers brought out the glasses. I sniffed my Merlot, uh oh. I'm not the most sensitive, but this is clearly corked. Betsy agrees, and once I explain to Rachel what corked is (they aren't wine geeks) she clearly gets the cardboard smell. Joe doesn't, but Betsy does from his glass, I think he is just TCA insensitive. I quietly ask the waiter to have the wine guy from faculty smell the wine, as I think it's corked. We see intense discussion, but not much sniffing. Eventually a student and faculty member bring over 4 new glasses, and it's night and day. No cardboard, the 2006 Bonterra Merlot (Mendocino) is a fairly fruit forward plummy wine, red fruit accented with smoke and a little vanilla. Not very long, but not corked! B-



Next up, lamb shank stew with glazed root vegetables (rutabaga, celeriac, and carrots) and caramelized pearl onions, topped with fried onion. Lamb could use a tad more seasoning, but good. Unfortunately, the wine (2006 Alexander Valley Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon) wasn't - corked again. I found it corked (though not as dramatically as the Merlot), Betsy too, Rachel said "hey,it smells the same as first glass of the last wine, but I like the taste," Joe doesn't notice. They didn't mind, and Betsy and I quietly agreed that we'd just live with it (it had been a production that took 8 or 10 minutes before). So I didn't drink mine. I know the arguments for calling over waiter, but at this point I didn't want wine flaws to be focus of evening. I don't eat desserts, but others enjoyed lilttle sampler plate with creme brulee, chococlate tart, and cherry chocolate brioche pudding.



Fun night. But I'll write a note to CIA. Now, I'm not super-senstive, about average, I tend to find maybe 3% corked. So chances are about one in a thousand of me finding two corked wines in a row, but it happened. Though it took some time, they handled the first sendback well. I'm sure they would have with second, too. However, it seems to me that those wines should never have made it to table. Part of teaching service should be identifying flaws in a non-bottle service enviroment. If student doesn't know about TCA, someone else should be there to check. The difference between the flawed bottles and a fresh bottle would be readily apparent side by side, even if one didn't know "corked" (unless they were genetically insensitive). I mean, I sent back the Merlot, and it was my choice to stay mum about the Cabernet. However, I think the pours were roughly 4 ounces, so I'd assume 2 more glasses from each bottle were floating around room. I know many (most?) people don't pay attention to wine, and even less understand re TCA, but my guess is those people enjoyed their wine less than a clean bottle. Checking the wine for correctness should be done before wines by the glass are sent to table. It would be useful for a student even just to learn if they were among the insensitive.



Overall, despite the wine angst, a very fun night. I'd do again (though next time we'd go for a B&B, too much driving. Luckily, since my consumption was probably 6 ounces (2 ounces of bubbly, 4 ounces of replacement Merlot) over 2.5 hours, no driving issues.



Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.  


I'm going back about 30 years, but my wife Eileen and I went to a weekend dinner/wine tasting at the Culinary Institute of American, run by Les Amis du Vin. It began on Saturday afternoon with appetizers and wines in the courtyard, then went in to dinner in the large dining room (ballroom?). We then went to a nearby motel, and returned the next day for desserts.

It was too long ago to remember any of the details of what we ate or drank, but I remember liking it very much. There were well over 50 different wines, and much too much to eat

DaleW wrote on Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:32:58 -0800 (PST):

I wish you wouldn't abbreviate the Culinary Institute of America as the CIA. Corked wines might be useful to the real CIA. My nephew passed out after drinking some wine (provided by his mother) that was only slightly corked.

Mike wrote on Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:16:07 +0100:

About 2 floz I would say :-)

It depends upon your viewpoint of which is the "real" CIA. Is it the one that does covert operations in other countries, carries out assassinations, promotes wars and insurrections, or is it the one that attempts to educate the culinary professionals of the future?

I would prefer to think of the later choice as being "real."

Godzilla

There is also the Confederazione Italiana Agricoltori.

Godzilla wrote on Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:03:27 +0000:

In the population as a whole, I suspect 99% have never heard of the Culinary Institute of America but know the CIA is the spy agency. That's real enough even if the Culinary Institute does more real good :-)

Sorry, I assumed on a wine group people would assume Culinary Institute. Are you saying he passed out because it was corked?!?!?

DaleW wrote on Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:54:03 -0800 (PST):

That's what the evidence seems to suggest! His mother and I drank a glass or two with dinner. Needless to say, he didn't.

Mike wrote on Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:21:54 +0100:

In context and with quotes, my nephew obviously. He's an adult not a rugrat :-)

DaleW wrote on Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:54:03 -0800 (PST):

I suspect you are optimistic about knowledge outside California about the Culinary Institute. I get out to Napa once in while and I have heard of it and seen the buildings from the road. Isn't it in the old Christian Brothers winery? (Did they have to sell the place because of incompetence or was it for money to pay abuse suits?)

Ed wrote on Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:36:39 -0600:

I'm a non-practicing Catholic myself but abuse by clerical personnel is no cheap shot and cannot be denied; witness the recent report from Ireland. If you want to get some horror stories, try a Google search on Christian Brothers abuse.

Quite true. However are the readership of alt.food.wine representative of the "population as a whole" or are they a more sophisticated and knowledgeable subset because of their interest in wine and associated food? ;-)

Godzilla

"Godzilla Lizard" wrote........

Perhaps the American readership may associate the acronym so - however, I would suggest that most 99.99% of "foreigners" (even the most ardent of wine & foodies) would automatically think that Dale was supping with spies!!!

I know, from the subject line, that was my initial impression.

Of course, Canadians may think DaleW was dining at the Calgary International Airport, while followers of Dr. Who would be justified in thinking that he was being hosted by the Celestial Intervention Agency.

We had our first CuIAm (!) meal a month back, at their lowest-level restaurant (St. Andrew's cafe). Nice selection of wines by the glass, very reasonable prices, and I echo Dale's comments on both the staff and (most of) the food; but we sent back both of our initial glasses too. No problems on replacement - other than increased anxiety for the poor server - but I wonder whether there's some possible cause in their storage??

It's only about an hour south from us, so we'll likely go back; fun place to visit.

Strange, I've never heard of a physical effect (other than aromatic) of TCA

Again, my apologies for any confusion. There is a Culinary Institute of American in Napa Valley, though this is the original in Hyde Park, NY. I find it commonplace for people to discuss "CIA trained chefs" but sorry that it confused anyone.

Did you send back due to being corked, or something else like oxidation? To former, I don't know of any storage related factor with TCA. Certainly storage and other factors can lead to other flaws (and things like bottle being opened too long can lead to oxidation)

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