Went to a store tasting at Zachy's of Louis Jadot wines. I was running errands,
stopped to grab a couple bottles from their sale, but managed to taste my way
through most of the wines. Take notes with even more of a grain of salt than
usual- small pours, and as always with store tastings I have no clue re
2002 Louis Jadot Chardonnay Bourgogne ($12.99)
Ripe white fruit, yet with fairly zippy acidity. Nice floral nose, light oak.
If this had been $10 I would've jumped on it. But $13 is pushing QPR. B
2001 Louis Jadot Puligny-Montrachet ($44.99)
Butterscotch and apple, minerally. Pretty good. B+
2001 Louis Jadot Gevrey-Chambertin (34.99)
Moderate acidity, raspberry/black cherry fruit, earthy. B+/B
2001 Louis Jadot Beaune 1er Boucherottes (34.99)
Perfumed nose, but then a bit tannic with dilute cherry fruit, left me cold (I
think I tried the Ursules on another occasion and liked much better). B-
1999 Louis Jadot Corton Greves ($70)
I'm not a huge Corton fan, but this was pretty nice -for a $40 Beaune. Not so
nice for a $70 Corton. B+/B
1997 Louis Jadot Charmes-Chambertin ($95)
Nice balance of acidity, fruit, and resolved tannins. Damp earth and forest
floor, hint of coffee, solid black cherry & raspberry/framboise fruit. Supple
and interesting, seemingly fully mature. A
1997 Louis Jadot Clos de la Roche (90.00)
More closed, but nice underlying fruit. Big structured Burg. Needs air or time.
2002 Louis Jadot Cotes de Nuits Villages "Vaucrain"
Rich rich fruit, short finish.
2002 Louis Jadot Pommard "Clos de la Commaraine"
( I remember this was a monopole, but not whether it's a 1er cru)
A bit hard and clunky, but good fruit, long finish
2002 Louis Jadot Corton Pougets
I almost didn't taste this, I'm not biggest Corton fan and was running out of
time and tastebuds. But Jadot rep insisted I try,and I'm glad I did. Earthy,
with mushroom notes (pretty unusual in a young wine).Spice, red fruit, good
finish. For once I might think a Corton is worth the GC tariff.
2002 Louis Jadot Clos Vougeot
Another very good GC-even better than the Corton Pougets. Deep fruit, mineral
and flowers. Delish.
There was also a table of Woodward Canyon wines, I only tried the 2001
Nelms Road Cabernet Sauvignon (Columbia Valley).Pretty good medium-bodied cab
Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a
good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where
it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy,
and certainly not of consistency.
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] Went to a store tasting at Zachy's of Louis Jadot wines. I was running errands,
] stopped to grab a couple bottles from their sale, but managed to taste my way
] through most of the wines. Take notes with even more of a grain of salt than
] usual- small pours, and as always with store tastings I have no clue re
] decanting, etc.
These prices sure seem out of whack to me...
But my question was about the "barrel samples." presumably these had
been bottled and shipped to the store? It seem to me that at this stage
the wine is very volatile, my experience is that within a week or so a
barrel can change radically in character. Anyone else concur?
Then, shock the wine at altitude, shake it up, leave it in a bottle for
a week, who knows how close to the barrel it is, even as a snap shot?
Just pondering the concept of in-store barrel tastings... :)
Ok I'm a cheap wine guy but I really find this one a little offensive, made
in a very oaky, for me, manner that suggests manufacture for the american
market. There is little semblance to French wine in the Bourgogne for a few
dollars less the Jadot Macon-Villages is a great QPR and a representative
of the wines of the Maconaise.
rant mode off ;-)
The prices are Zachy's, rather well-known as being quite expensive (you can get
deals during sales, if you're careful).
In article , Emery Davis
I've probably been to dozens of store tastings featuring barrel samples. I
agree with all the caveats. Which is why I usually (as in this case) don't
offer even my usual shaky grades on barrel samples. But I do think they offer a
snapshot, if a fuzzier snapshot than a finished product (in this case, the lead
winemaker from Jadot was one of the pourers, so he must think it had some
While I don't think they are true visions of the finished product, they do give
on a clue to such things as size/tannins, fruit focus (red or black, for
instance), amount of oak, etc. When making decisions on pre-arrival buying of
hard to get items (I usually wait, taste, and buy, but for certain small
production items that's sometimes impossible), it's my personal preference to
try barrel samples, I'd rather make a mistake based on my faulty tasting than
just be a sheeple.
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Fine rant. I just didn't find a lot of oak here (I have in some previous
vintages, though I think I remember liking one other- the 2000?). I'm not a
real querophile, and am usually quite sensitive to overoaking. Have you tried
the 2002? There are a few possibilities here:
1) Jadot used less new oak here than other vintages
2) It's an oaky wine, Jadot used lots of new barrels, and I just missed it
(entirely possible) Lots of ripe fruit here.
3) Similar to theory number 2, except the racy acidity took my eye off the
I liked it enough to pick up a bottle at a more reasonable store, we'll see
what I think when I have a full bottle.
BTW, I agree the Macon-Villages is usually a pretty safe bet, has saved me in
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It is entirely possible that they are making this one a little less oaky
and that would not be a bad thing. I just I might give it a try in the
future. Without your note I would have given it a definite pass.
] I've probably been to dozens of store tastings featuring barrel samples. I
] agree with all the caveats. Which is why I usually (as in this case) don't
] offer even my usual shaky grades on barrel samples. But I do think they offer a
] snapshot, if a fuzzier snapshot than a finished product (in this case, the lead
] winemaker from Jadot was one of the pourers, so he must think it had some
Yes, I see now you hadn't noted the barrel samples, honestly hadn't noticed
it originally. I've never heard a winemaker be less than circumspect about
such samples, so I suspect this was a combination of marketing and Zachy's
wanting to keep their rep (apparently deserved if you're anyone to go by) for
As for the store prices, yes I suppose they are known to be quite high, although
I've often seen some very good deals advertised in the NYT. I was commenting
more generally on the Jadot prices. Put's me to mind of a recent comment
in another thread, "what do you expect for $20?" I'm still of the opinion that
it should buy a damn good bottle. These prices -- as for you, I guess -- just
make the wines an unattainable luxury product for me. :(
] While I don't think they are true visions of the finished product, they do give
] on a clue to such things as size/tannins, fruit focus (red or black, for
] instance), amount of oak, etc. When making decisions on pre-arrival buying of
] hard to get items (I usually wait, taste, and buy, but for certain small
] production items that's sometimes impossible), it's my personal preference to
] try barrel samples, I'd rather make a mistake based on my faulty tasting than
] just be a sheeple.
I agree, of course, with the last bit! I've found tannins difficult to judge
barrel samples, and also other aspects of suppleness. The fruit "focus" makes
sense to me, but the forwardness and structure of same seems to vary
very quickly over time when in barrel; also I've noticed that sometimes early
bottle shock will bring fruit forward. The amount of oak, yes, in a general way.
Zachy's prices tend to be high, so even if they have a 16% off sale (fairly
common) their prices tend to be about the same as Rochambeau's regular pricing.
But there are always a few that are good, and during their "net sales" there
are some good values.
Well, I actually bought nothing at these prices. I expect negociant wines to be
priced less than top growers' wines, and these are in line (or higher). I might
keep an eye out to see if I see that '97 Charmes at a better price though- one
of the best '97 Burgs I've tried.
Personally I find amount of tannins fairly easy to judge, though not
neccessarily type (whether ripe, hard, fine, etc.). In fruit one can usually
detect if there's any green unripeness, as well as profile of fruit (high acid
tends to make Burgs seem more black fruit, for instance).
In any case, I think that tasting from barrel samples is a datapoint, but one
that shouldn't be given as much weight as other points.
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There is a very good reason for your problems with judging tannins
in barrel samples. It is well documented that the astringency of
tannins changes in a very interesting way with the size of the tannins
(the smallest show no astringency, moderate size show the most and then
a steady decrease with size thereafter). Since the tannins in barrel
samples are typically small, they will tend to show very soft and
forward. In short time, though, the tannins will have increased in size
enough to make the same wine a tannic monster! It would certainly take
more experience than I have to reliably judge the aging potential of a
wine from a barrel sample.