Wine in Venice

Yes, everything is more expensive in Venice-ITALIA...

BTW, to which Bologna are you referring to, the city in Emilia Romagna that is home to the world's oldest university and the world's best tortellini, or Bologna, the capital of the Sandwich (Islands)?

And watch it, Bologna is not very far off from spam....

Mike Provence, France (not Rhode Island)

Do you mean Maine the US state or Maine the old french province where a famous 24 hour car race takes place?

Try to be more precise in the future please.

Mike

Mike Tommasi wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Leave it!

Mike Tommasi wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Get down Tiger!

Thanks for giving an answer to the original question. While I did not ask the original question it was of interest to me because I will be there next week.

The one that has a Portland in it.

Dimitri

Salut/Hi D. Gerasimatos,

I'm sorry to see you take criticism so badly.

le/on Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:57:49 +0000 (UTC), tu disais/you said:-

Who cares. Travel companies and the Internet don't make up culture.

No arrogance to say that "Venice" unqualified implies Italy, just as "Washington" unqualified implies the capital of the USA and not a town in the UK _even_ if the UK one is by far older.

Size isn't everything (as my Magnum murmurs to your Methusalem).

Which one?

Sorry, but there's world of difference between Venice and Newcastle, as anyone who likes music, art, sculpture, literature or knows any history can tell you.

Ian,

The original posting was as follows:

"I am looking for a reputable shop in Venice from which to purchase a case of wine to provide for some clients. Can anyone here steer me in the right direction?"

The original poster did not indicate at that time that he was visiting Italy...therefore it was totally appropriate to request clarification.

With regards to your statement Ian:

That is not really accurate. If someone said on Vacation in Italy I went to Venice then I would understand. When a person in California says I was in Venice last week...I would not assume Italy. Of if a person in Tampa Florida said I spent 3 days in Venice on business...I would assume Florida as Venice is south about 60 to 90 Miles.

Since you live in Europe you might have made assumptions that not all would make depending upon their locations.

The sheer number of assaulting posts on this subject is shameful.

I think many owe an apology to D. Gerasimatos. His posts are not argumentative but makes a valid point.

That *is* accurate.

All true. But if someone does not specify anything at all, I am

100 percent with Ian assuming it's Venezia.

M.

If they had said Venezia vs. Venice...I would have agreed with you. But Venice is also here in the USA In several states.

I have been to Fla and Ca. Fla is very nice. Sorry.

If you as a Austrian said you were go>

I do not see any reason for apology. Both his posts and yours are contentious displays of obnoxious pedantry, useful to no one save your own miscalibrated egos. Duh, if its in America its gotta be the one you think of. Yeah!

pavane

No. My ego is not the one that has a problem. I believe that D. Gerasimatos asked a legit question to clarify which it was.

The failure to do so has now been debated. I don't think that J. Coulter ever planned to make his posting in any way controversial. But if someone did not understand and asked for clarity...what is the problem?

As for your unwarranted assault all I can say is perhaps you don't understand the point. Perhaps you don't understand many points but this was a question of wine in Venice not "Pavanes Stupidity and Name Calling."

This was definitely not my point.

If you are not willing to read my post carefully, I can't help.

EOD from my side.

M.

I understand your post. I just disagree.

Now had they said, "ahh venice" I would have understood that.

I really think this is due to where you are and the internet and usenet is not a perfect means of communication.

The only issue I have is that if he the poster asked for clarification before he were to respond...was there any harm in his asking for clarification?

Then for his asking he in essence gets bashed. I think that is rude and inappropiate behavior.

EOD.

Dick

Dick,

I've been trying not to reenter this thread (I'm still smarting from embarassment that one time I forgot to add ME to Portland!). But I can never keep my mouth shut, so lets's review. After Dimitri's request for "clarification", Mike answered:

"Mmm, granted I am not objective, Venezia being my city, but it seems to me that if someone does not specify, Venice is in Italy, just as Berlin is in Germany and London in England... ;-)))"

Note the emoticon. Mike then gave jcoulter a shop in Venice to try.. Sounds pretty polite to me.

Dimitri (not a new poster, been around for a while, btw , and one whose posts I have found useful in the past), responded with a statement that Mike wasn't objective and a list of Google hits. Personally, if he (or anyone else here) REALLY thought the OP meant Venice CA (though why anyone would limit themselves to shops in Venice, since Venice is next to Santa Monica- greater LA to most of us) or Venice FL they could just give suggestions.

Personally, though I live within US, I have never heard someone outside of Florida or California refer to an unqualified "Venice" and not mean Venice, Italy. Maybe we could have our first ever AFW public opinion poll. Everyone ask

5 acquaintances what they would think of a trip to Venice. See which Venice people think they're talking about.

In any case I think that AFW can do without Dale

Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply

Oops, premature ej..I mean premature posting.

I meant to say AFW can do without namecalling and derision. Even if we disagree let's try to be semi-mature about it. Thanks all. Dale

Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply

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Washington unqualified is probably more likely to mean the state of Washington rather than D.C. in the United States. See how different people can have different ideas of things that might seem so obvious?

If you asked for a wine shop in Washington my first inclination would be to think you are asking about Washington state, when obviously you would think you were asking about shops in Washington, D.C. A resident in Virginia or Maryland might have a different idea, of course.

Just as Venice unqualified is confusing, so is Washington unqualified. I am glad you brought up this example, because the fact that you see no ambiguity in the place name "Washington" illustrates my point well.

That may be true. No one was comparing the cities. Unfortunately, there is more than one city named Venice that springs to mind when the name is mentioned. Venice, Italy is probably the most commonly thought of, but not the only, option. Asking for clarification does no harm, except apparently to the egos of Europeans who are aghast that their great city might be mistaken for any other by name. Well, it can be.

Dimitri