Change already?

The dangers of passive smoking are accepted (generally) by the medical profession. Perhaps you are a greater expert? Does the fact that some smokers live to an old age mean that smoking isn't dangerous - or indeed that it increases one's lifespan??? You come across as a very ignorant person.

As they are accustomed to doing at other types of establishments - so I'm wondering what's the big deal with pubs?

Indeed. And in the fullness of time people will look back and wonder why it took so long for the ban to be introduced... "They used to allow what?"!!!

That's the whole point of the 'Big Brother' argument against Draconian legisliation like the outright smoking ban.

Why should the government have any say in how 'healthy' or 'unhealthy' peoples lifestyles are?

Like smoking, drinking can and does damage *some* peoples health. And then some people die because of cars, some people die because of an unhealthy diet.

Almost everything that has ever existed has the potential to do damage to ones health. Should drinking, driving, crossing the road, eating chips etc. all be banned because statisticall they will kill somebody?

BTN

Perhaps it's that they are being deprived of the opportunity to mix drugs...

It's your government - why don't you campaign for the removal of all health promotion measures - taxes on alcohol, seatbelts in cars etc. You may though be faced with a bigger bill for the NHS. Or you could dismantle the NHS and the welfare state and watch people without insurance die on the streets.

E.

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:08:40 +0100, Sir Benjamin Nunn wrote (in article ):

Whether it is bad for you or not if a minority do something the majority finds unpleasant it is likely to get banned.

Don't you see the difference between alcohol and tobacco? Alcohol damages the consumer (if consume din large amounts) whereas tobacco potentially damages everyone that the smoke reaches. It's really very simple.

Unfortunately what people like you fail to see is that this is not a total smoking ban - the legislation is banning smoking in enclosed public places in order to protect the health of people who chose not to smoke. Enclosed public places are really a tiny proportion of the planet!

In message , Steven Pampling wrote

The smoking industry campaigned in a way that made publicans believe that had only to put a sticker on the door saying it was a smoking pub and everything would go their way.

You've obviously never been to Keighley on a friday night!

I used to work for a man that could fart for England and he stunk to high heaven with the smallest of farts. Are you saying that this warning should be displayed at the door of a pub as well?

When I eat food, I can well do without the smell of smoke.

So you would have nowhere to drink then.

And?

If the staff refused to serve you because of the smoke level, where would that leave you? Without a drink, presumably

Oh do piss of and learn that others have more rights that you

WTF has real ale to to with the above?

Dave

And make sure that they spread all over the road to let you know.

Run the bastards down.

Dave

In article , gavin writes

I would be happy to change my views if you could point me at some 'independent' research.

The tobacco companies will obviously say smoking will help you live forever, the government who wish to control every aspect of our lives will say breathing 1 cc of second hand smoke will kill you.

From the information I've seen I'm not convinced passive smoking is the danger some people say it is though I agree first hand smoking is dangerous.

By the way I gave up smoking 15 years ago after a 30 year addiction so I don't have an axe to grind.

Mike

In article , gavin writes

And it shows, I was just replying to a nasty post with another nasty post, the difference is my post was tongue in cheek.

Mike

Plenty of links to follow up here:

The same rights actually.

There just happens to be a majority of non-smokers.

Wikipedia is a repository of statements, not fact.

The sooner people learn to use the web for proper research the better off they will be. I've seen numerous items related to my line of work on Wikipedia, *some* of them turn out to be true.