Extreme Taste Test

Nov 10, 2004 8 Replies
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Taste Challenge Settles Guinness Row


Seasoned beer enthusiasts have often claimed that the best Guinness in the world is served in Dublin bars - a lesson that a pub owner in England has learned to his cost.


Perhaps Cork-born Aidan Mahon should have known better when he decided to deal with complaints from patrons that the stout just didn't taste as good in Norwich as in Ireland.


After many long arguments about the taste of the London-brewed version of Guinness being served up in Delaneys bar, Mr Mahon rashly forked out £5,300 to prove his point.


"After a night of people moaning, I decided enough was enough and stood on the bar and told everyone I'd prove them wrong," he told the Daily Mirror.


With a chartered plane sitting in Norwich airport, he poured pints for 48 regular customers, and with the taste of the black stuff still fresh in their mouths, took them off to catch their Dublin flights.


Just hours later, the party embarked on an epic tasting session around Dublin's pubs.


Despite Mr Mahon's generous hospitality which included being put up in a four-star hotel, most of the lucky drinkers could not lie to save his feelings.


A majority insisted that the stout they had sampled in Dublin was better that his Norwich variety, although tactfully, they said his pints came close.


Mr Mahon said the trip, which took a few months to organise, was well worth the effort.


"Everyone thought I was mad but I wanted to prove my point, and I think I have," he said.


"It has been a bit of an expensive point to prove because, despite getting as many deals I can from everyone I know in Ireland, the whole trip cost me about £5,300."


Mr Mahon accepted that the Norwich and Dublin brews did taste different, but he insists that they are equally delicious.


"They say the reason it tastes different in England is because it's brewed with different water," he said.


Regulars insisted the taste challenge was almost scientific in its methods.


One of them, Nicholas Rix, said: "To be fair to Aidan, his Guinness is pretty good, but nothing compares to the Guinness in Ireland.


"We certainly tried out enough pints in Norwich and then Dublin to help make sure it was a fair test."


Ironically, Guinness will no longer be made in London after next summer, as parent company Diageo will close its Park Royal brewery and transfer production for the UK to Dublin.



Almost? It wasn't blind, so has no credibility. People had their prejudices confirmed, is all.

It would've been much better and cheaper to simply get a couple kegs of Dublin-brewed Guinness and set up a blind tasting at the pub in England.

Wow, that's hilarious - one of the few pubs in England that I know for sure sold Dublin Guinness was itself in Norwich (& did so up until the mid-1990s I'd guess) - I was told that the wholesaler who supplied it to them was threatened with no more supply of Guinness at all, so the source dried up & about 50 Irish Guinness kegs remained on the roof of the pub as no-one had much of an incentive to return them to Dublin! (I lived nextdoor to the pub, so I know they were there in 1996)

The pub is the Coach&Horses Thorpe Road (also home to the excellent Chalk Hill Brewery) cheers MikeMcG

Too bad it was not brewed with Cleveland water! LOL!

Guinness in the States is also probably different.

-David

That's like being almost pregnant or almost dead. It is or it isn't.

And this assuredly isn't. The most basic biases aren't even accounted for, most notably the one that makes it very, very difficult for human beings to admit they're wrong. The publican could have rigged the test so that he was serving Guinness straight from Dublin shipped in that morning to Norwich and served his normal Norwich stock in Dublin, and people would insist the Dublin stuff was better. It's human nature.

And it's usually bollocks. I've done many blind tastings with people who claim that Guinness is noticeably better than Beamish or Murphy's, or they could spot one over the other instantly. The people who make these claims always fail when faced with blind tests, and the incidences of guessing correctly are no higher than what can be accounted for in the probability of simply guessing.

-Steve

agreed.

& we humans like the idea of a drink having a place it seems - eg the fairly common phenomenom of people hating the taste of wines/spirits they've brought back (which they enjoyed when on holiday - eg greek retsina & italian grappa)

I don't agree with you on this though - I know that people with good well-trained palates can tell differences that my less sensitive palate can't. Similarly, I think I could tell the difference between some of the common keg stouts (Guinness tends to be roastier with a sour edge - the Cork stouts seem smoother/sweeter). cheers MikeMcG

Draft (keg) Guinness in the United States is the same as in Ireland...although it is at least two weeks older, which can make a difference.

-- Lew Bryson

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That's been my perception, too.

You've just reminded me of another funny thing about this (ahem) almost scientific exercise - despite UK being its biggest market for stout, Diageo is closing its London brewery next summer & shipping stout in from Dublin (which AFAIK it already does for all of the smallpack stuff anyway) so his discerning/deluded customers should be happy? (although if a pub landlord gave me a trip to dublin to drink beer, I'd be pretty happy already)

cheers MikeMcG

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