I'm told Samual Smiths have forbidden all their tied houses to have
music of any kind, live or recorded, regardless of the wishes of
publican or customers.
This seems bizarre - though they wouldn't be the first pub chain to
drive away customers and alienate licensees with inflexible policies.
Does anyone know the truth of the matter?
Why would it alientate anyone? I'm thoroughly pissed off with the way that
you have to endure canned music in pubs (and to be thought a bit of an
oddbod if you object to it). I do enjoy live music, but the idea of being
able to go to a pub and be able to talk to my friend/s without having to
shout over the din of music is very attractive.
Cliff Laine, The Old Lard Factory, Lancaster http://www.loobynet.com
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Don't know if it's true or not, but if it is, what a superb idea.
The thought of visiting a pub where beer and conviviality are the
order of the day, with annoying noise relegated elsewhere, is
It might catch on and then I suppose the next radical idea would be to have
wood panelling and little seating alcoves in smaller rooms one of which
would be for smoking (for the dying moments of smokers in society) and
the rest not.
In article , MadCow
It's not anything to do with that campaign that was going on a while
back to fight against some change in the licensing laws that would make
it a lot harder to get a music license?
Or had the Performing Rights people suddenly started billing the chain
for the music they had been playing?
Steve Glover, Fell Services Ltd.
Home: steve at fell.demon.co.uk, 0131 551 3835
Never mind the lack of music, I'm more concerned about the lack of
*beer*. SS have this bizarre policy of only stocking nitro beer
outside Yorkshire (and in quite a few pubs *inside* Yorkshire.). Given
that traditional beer is their unique selling point you'd tink they'd
make the most of it.
Best regards, Paul
Paul Sherwin Consulting
My understanding is that they don't want to pay for the required new
entertainment license for their pubs. They have a reputation for being
extremely tight-ar*ed and this is just another example of it.
They do real ale at most of their central London pubs which I've been
Lack of intrusive noise is a Good Thing. I once had the misfortune to
go to some hellhole a few doors down from The Chandos, a Sam Smith's
place in Trafalgar Square. It was so loud we had to write down our
order for the barmaid to read, and we soon left for the more civilised
Most of the SS pubs in London *don't* serve real ale, which is
incomprehensible given that some ot them do, so they obviously deliver
cask beer to London.
The SS pub in Oxford (Three Goat's Heads) used to serve cask but
hasn't for several years, again for no obvious reason.
Best regards, Paul
Paul Sherwin Consulting
I seem to recall that they did serve real ale when the pub first reopened as
the King William, but that it then disappeared, presumably due to some
brilliant Sam Smiths management decision.
Blackfire band website : www.blackfire.co.uk
Bristol & District Campaign for Real Ale : www.camrabristol.org.uk
The "Red set" ones do - Chandos on Trafalgar Square, Lyceum on the Strand,
Cheshire Cheese on Fleet St - but it's such a nasty beer (and could only be
relied upon to be in good nick at the last of these - 5 year old
information), I have trouble summoning enthusiasm to go there. Even at
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>>>Never mind the lack of music, I'm more concerned about the lack of
>>>*beer*. SS have this bizarre policy of only stocking nitro beer
>>>outside Yorkshire (and in quite a few pubs *inside* Yorkshire.). Given
>>>that traditional beer is their unique selling point you'd tink they'd
>>>make the most of it.
>>They do real ale at most of their central London pubs which I've been
> The "Red set" ones do - Chandos on Trafalgar Square, Lyceum on the Strand,
> Cheshire Cheese on Fleet St - but it's such a nasty beer (and could only be
> relied upon to be in good nick at the last of these - 5 year old
> information), I have trouble summoning enthusiasm to go there. Even at
Surely the point is more that they have decided they want a "Sam Smith"
pub to have a certain character wherever it be found. If I see a pub,
while in an unfamiliar part of the country, and it has their name on it,
I know what to expect. As there are already lots of musicful pubs in
the areas in which they trade, they want to serve those of us who would
prefer the loudest noise in the pub to be the din of conversation.
Given that Weatherspoon's have made a great profit trading under similar
terms, I don't think it is likely to harm the brand.
NB my experience of SS pubs is limited to their London holding,
particularly the Briklayers Arms off TCR, the Princess Louisa near
Holborn, the Olde Cheshire Cheese on Fleet St. and the Cittie of Yorke
near Chancery Lane
No idea, but it's a policy that will keep me coming back for more, along
with their seeming desire to serve bitter at low prices, and to preserve
good pub interiors (see the last three of the above for some superb