A possible future for Puerh

Aug 15, 2004 37 Replies

Hi Mike,

As they would say in the movie, "I'm in."! :")

Hi Alex, you mentioned that your pu'er has the smell of earth? Questoin: Is it wet earth, like the smell that lingers in the air after a heavy rain, or the warm musky earthy smell? A good cooked pu'er should sometimes take on the smell of dry old books, like the smell you get when you walk into a well ventilated old bookstore, or library. If it is the former, then the the tea was probably poorly stored (or even wet stored), if it the latter, you'll probably not used to pu'er yet! :")

There may be one way to rectify the wet earth smell: break up the pu'er, and put them in an open container, and cover the mouth with a strong kitchen paper towel, and tie the mouth. Put it in an airy dry place for a month and check at the end of the period for smell. If it is still moldy, keep it for another month or so.

The next step is optional, but I do it constantly: I have a small cast-iron frying pan which I use for Pu'er only. When I want to brew a funky smelling pu'er, I do the above, and when I'm about the brew it, I heat up the pan till hot to touch, remove it from the stove, take the amount of tea required, and sort of 'pan-fry' the pu'er for a brief 1-3 minutes. Then I brew it. It yields up a very different tasting cup...

Hi Michael, if your 1972 pu'er is a cooked one, then chances are you've been smoked. Cooked pu'ers didn't appear till late 1973, from the menghai tea factory...

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What of the earth of fresh loan in the quiet misty warm morning? What of the earth of rotty leaves in the wet forest? These are my associations perhaps like the ones you say indicate poor storage. I wonder about that. I always thought of these as fresh and clean. Although I've moved away from that style and on to the green Pu-erhs where you never reach the end of complexity.

So, the offending quality is "moldy". That makes sense.

It was a sample passed off to me. I did not get smoked, I'm happy to say. By the way, how many tea factories are their in Meng Hai?

Best, Michael;

Actually, 1972 is still possible to be a real McCoy.

Sasha.

Mike, I love this. I can just imagine myself sitting on my lawn on a quiet misty morning and the FEDEX guy bringing me the package with a confirmation of a new fresh loan from Citibank for my company....I smell its earthy but heavenly scent... $5 mil. Words fail me ... :)

Sasha.

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Sasha,

There is *nobody* here who wouldn't say I deserve that. That's "loam," of course. I'm not sure I don't like your/our version better, though.

Michael

Hi Michael,

I'm very sure how many factories are there in Menghai, but they are collectively grouped under a main factory that is called Menghai Tea Factory. I believe Menghai Tea Factory began in 1949, and stopped for a period during the cultural revolution, and reopened its door in 1972, the first batch of tea discs was produced in 1973.

Before that, Menghai Tea Factory was known as Fohai Tea Factory, established in 1940.

What the factory does is to collect the picked leaves from the estates in the region and process them according, in the past these picked leaves were mixed and not separated into the area or estate it was from. I think things have changed somewhat in the recent decades, sometimes the name of the estate or tea farm is printed on the covering paper, together with the Menghai Tea Factory signature.

Mike, am I correct here?

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May be you were. Menghai tea factory is closed now, as my sources report. The process of privatization of tea industry causes a huge stirr. May get much, much worse before it gets better.

Sasha.

Sasha,

Can you provide a reference for that? I will ask my friend in Kunming about it. I see Menghai cakes for sale everywhere even on Chinese sites! I do know that were definitely producing tea cakes this year, if they are closed it is a very recent development.

Thanks,

Mike

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Oh, s*it! Mike, what say you?

Roy Wong the owner of Imperial Tea palace in SF. Converstaion 2 days ago.

Sasha.

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[on the source of rumor of alleged closing of the Menghai factory...]

Perhaps I'm missing something, but in a climate where Pu-erh is rapidly gaining popularity all over China and throughout the world, and where the prices of well made old cakes are escalating wildly, why would a major Pu-erh factory stop producing? There is less to this than meets the eye, I'll bet.

Michael

Michael,

Your mistake - application of YOUR logic to teh events that have their own inner logic. Menghai was a state-owned factory. It is being privatized. If it fells apart for some time and stop producing, its price will decline and some local bosses can buy it for cheap. BTW - I believe that current puerh popularity in China is a fad. It will go away as soon as all the space on the display buffetts will be needed for the next fad items. their price won't be high because Chinese keep their puerhs in their kitchens and in 3-5 years they wil all stink of kunzhut oil.

Sasha.

Erh, you are both right and wrong.

Menghai Tea Factory no longer exists, it is now called Menghai Chaye Youxian Zeren Gongsi.

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All is not lost... :")

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Resurfaced under a new name, did it? I thought there was less here than originally supposed.

Michael

I think there might be some financial problem facing the company, as Sasha suggested, but the news piece I read was in 2001, so perhaps they have shaken things up a little?

Here ia another link, also dated 2001, that talks about Meng Hai Tea factory. This one gives some interesting facts including production numbers, finances, sales figures, taxes, # of employees, average salary ($1K/yr) etc.

If I am interpreting it right they turned the Factory into a LLC as part of a privatization effort.

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BUT, all of this is 3 years old, Saha's information appears to be more resent. LLC or whatever I have seen Meng Hai 2004 production . Samar, are you aware of anything more recent?

Still digging......

Mike

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The news from Kunming is that about a month ago the Menghai Tea Factory was bought by a "big" Company. My friend does not know the large Company's name yet. Menghai is still producing tea today but at a reduced production rate! There is no rumor of a closing, just maybe a reorganization of the management. It was already a LLC since 2001 so this was just a private sale (acquisition) of the company. The word on the street is that the name will not change, but this is speculation. Everybody over there is buying up the Menghai Tea based on speculation and the prices are being driven up significantly.

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This link seems to say that the factory closed. Although the article is about 20 days old. Samar can you translate please, it is a short article, is it listing the name of the bigger company?

Thanks,

Mike

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