Two unknown cooked pu erhs

Nov 17, 2005 30 Replies

Not being a native of China, and having visited various areas of that vast country only a handful of times over the years, I'm unqualified to describe the range and complexities of their specific ethical standards of commerce (which would probably require a book-length treatise, anyway), but I can say that from what I've observed, and from what I know of the experiences of other consumers there, both foreign and native, China's general standards and practices in the marketplace pretty much correspond to the ancient bazaar system that still functions effectively in much of Asia, North Africa, the Near East, and Eastern and Southeastern Europe, i.e. (more or less): anything goes; all is fair; buyer beware; shrewdness prevails; keep your eyes on the moving hands; barter 'til you drop; pay cash; try before you buy and be sure that what you buy is what you tried; trust is disadvantageous; etc.

Yes, I noticed the asterisks, but because I don't have any way of knowing what *should* be, it's not a concept I can easily address.

You may infer their general ethical principles by studying the advertising.

Well, as a monastic renunciate I don't have access to much of a selection, so I suppose my favorites are whatever I'm drinking, which tend to be only Chinese teas. I usually keep on hand a couple of pu-erh beengcha and a toucha or two for my occasional refreshment. When I travel, which is not often, I carry the plastic "Best Chinese THERMOS Teapot in China" that I mentioned in a previous thread, along with a sufficient supply of pu-erh to help sustain my endurance. Right now I'm visiting family, with whom on my last stay in 2002 I inadvertently left the now-"aged" baozhong we discussed earlier, so I've been enjoying that particular tea these past two weeks. Speaking of which, I'll be leaving here tomorrow evening and probably won't again have access to a terminal or computer until some time next year, so please excuse my abrupt departure from this exchange if I'm not able to reply further. And enjoy the Pevear-Volokhonsky translations!

I am enjoying them. Look forward to your safe return and resumption of discussion re tea and otherwise.

Best, Michael

Yes, and my point is that this must change in these days of Internet commerce because that model just does not work on the Internet. They are clearly venturing into Internet and other types of commerce where this bazaar mentality cannot succeed. I can hold my own if I am able to go to the Tea Market and see, smell, and taste the tea first, but if I have to order over the Internet than I have to trust to a large degree.

I am surprised you cant see my frustration with fake pu-erh wrappers.

Mike Petro

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We will miss you.

Sasha.

Good Bye, and have a wonderful time, I envy your trip.

Hehe interested in brokering some pu-erh while you are there?

Mike Petro

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Thank you, Michael. Best regards to you in the meantime!

The bazaar model works extremely well on the Internet, but it has to appear to be a straight-ahead retail operation, which of course is very easy to do online. So sure, change is definitely on the horizon, but it will be in the form of greater subtlety and finesse on the part of the Chinese marketers, not altered "ethics" (however that concept is defined).

Oh, I completely understand your frustration, Mike, and it's certainly justified. All I've been saying is that fake pu-erh wrappers are part of the "cost" of doing business with Chinese tea vendors, and there's simply nothing to be done about it.

Thanks, Sasha. Be well!

Thanks, Mike. Alas, I'm returning to Greece, not traveling to China, or I'd certainly consider it. -)

Good luck with curating and adding to your amazing pu-erh collection, and keep drinking the good stuff!

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I am not comming here saying who is right and who is wrong, just share with you guys the information I have.

Yellow page for so called offical puerh suppliers:

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Chinese is my 1st language, but there r toooooo many things to be translated....

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