1975 Wines

I've found some wines that I can get hold of:

Couvent des Jacobines Saint-Emilion Grand Cru Classé St. Johanner Abtey (Rheinhessen) Mönchhofer Kreuzjoch, Blaufränkisch (Weingut Niederthäler Hof, Schlossböckelheim) Mönchhofer Kreuzjoch, Zweigelt (Weingut Niederthäler Hof, Schlossböckelheim) Dhroner Hofberger Spätlese Riesling (Qualitätswein mit Prädikat, Weingut Joh. Stadtfeld) Ockfener Bockstein (Weinkellerei Pfarrkirche Bernkastel, Mosel-Saar-Ruwer) Ehringer Kapellenberg Boyd-Cantenac Grand Cru classé (Margaux) Leoville-Poyferré Grand Cru classé (St. Julien)

The 2 above wines could still be good with ideal storage, depending on who made them. Without knowing that, one can not say more.

I have not had the wines mentioned just above. It is possible they could still be good. My experience is that auslese and above 1975s now are drinking better than lower grades. I would not buy more than one bottle of these wines until I had a chance to taste them.

The wines just above are Austrian and not German. My guess is that they all might be past their best, but only tasting will tell for sure. Perhaps another regular of this group who is an expert on Austrian wines can tell you more.

This is a very famous vineyard and the producer(state) is of high repute. However you are pushing your luck to expect a basic kabinett grade to hold up well for 30 years. Your chances would be improved with a spatlese, and I know the auslese version or above of this wine often can hold up well for 30 years or more. For example the 1976 auslese still is drinking well. The 1949 TBA also is holding well.

At the age of these wines, ideal storage at a low temperature is all important. The wines mentioned above all appear to be of grades under auslese. My general experience is that a few such wines of this age still are drinking well, but your chances of getting a very good wine from Germany in the 1975 vintage are much better if you select an auslese or higher grade from the best estates.

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Niersteiner Hipping Riesling Spätlese Niersteiner Patersberg Spätlese Mettenheimer Schloßberg (Fritz Kleinknecht, Faberrebe Spätlese, Bodenheim - Rheinhessen) Riesling (A.P.Nr 4382 238 476, Freiherr von Maltz`lche Weinkellerei Walsrode, Niederemmel-Piesport, Mosel) Weißwein Ruster Spätlese (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) Weißburgunder (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) Grüner Veltliner (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) Rauenthaler Baiken Kabinett (Staatsweingüter Eltville)

You are stretching it a bit with these. The best bet should be the Niersteiner Hipping. The other Niersteiner doesn't mention the grape? Who made these wines? The Faber grape of the third one is not much seen, but makes quite ageworthy wine. 30 years old from a small producer should be over the hill anyway. The fourth is a mere quality wine(?) from a completely unknown producer - should be dead. The last one is a possibly good one, even when only a Kabinett. None of these Germans will poison you, buy and report to us! I've no idea about the Austrians. hth Anders

What about these wines?

Couvent des Jacobines Saint-Emilion Grand Cru Classé St. Johanner Abtey (Rheinhessen) Mönchhofer Kreuzjoch, Blaufränkisch (Weingut Niederthäler Hof, Schlossböckelheim) Mönchhofer Kreuzjoch, Zweigelt (Weingut Niederthäler Hof, Schlossböckelheim) Dhroner Hofberger Spätlese Riesling (Qualitätswein mit Prädikat, Weingut Joh. Stadtfeld) Ockfener Bockstein (Weinkellerei Pfarrkirche Bernkastel, Mosel-Saar-Ruwer) Ehringer Kapellenberg Boyd-Cantenac Grand Cru classé (Margaux) Leoville-Poyferré Grand Cru classé (St. Julien)

Thanks, Max

Hands off. All probably dead since at least two decades. It's bulk wine bottled by Pieroth in Germany. Pieroth ten years later became involved in the anti-freeze afair. Iirc they used low-end Austrian bulk wines to doctor up German bottlings.

M.

Michael Pronay wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@pronay.com:

Isn't Pieroth also that door-to-door company with the "aggressive" sales tactics? I thought I remembered hearing something like that...

d.

Yes. Mid quality (at best), at super-high prices.

M.

Max,

Unfortunately, I do not know the above wines - but would LIKE to... Had a '76 Egon Mueller Auslese not that long ago, and it was probably the best Riesling that I have ever tasted. I've been keeping several Germans from the 70's in hopes that they will follow suit. Only caveat would be to allow these wines to open up a bit in the glass. Don't judge any by "first whiff." Be prepared for some major evolution, once poured. Be gentle and patient with them. Also, please don't forget the TN's, when you do open them. Enjoy - but tell us all about them.

Hunt