Best White Under $10

Have you actually been to Italy? $10+ per bottle for common wine is considered stupid there.

BTW, film is dead, just like Itanium, even if the fans haven't admitted it yet. That's OK - there are many otherwise reasonable people that think Elvis is still alive, too.

;-)

Dana

and people made 1/7th the money they do today in the U.S.

What does $70 buy you today in wine?

You gotta compare apples to apples.

Dana

Dana Myers wrote: "

Cwdjrx _ wrote: There was a time when under US$10 would buy you everything but the very top wines of the world. Just $11 would have bought you the 1959 Yquem in the US shortly after it was released. But in those days, there was much more really bad wine than today. and people made 1/7th the money they do today in the U.S. What does $70 buy you today in wine? You gotta compare apples to apples. Dana"

The inflation in fine wine prices has far exceeded the inflation in personal income in the US. Even in the early 70s, first growth Bordeaux from top years could be had for about $20 a bottle. Now a Lafite from a top year costs several hundred. The 1971 Petrus cost me around $35 a bottle. Now Petrus comes on the market at many hundred to over 1000 dollars in top years. In the early 70's I bought a bottle of 1945 Mouton for a very few hundred dollars. If you can find it all now, the price is well above $5000. In the early 70s one with a middle income could drink fine wines every day and first growths every week or two without too much strain on the budget. Drinking top second growth Bordeaux ever day and first growths every week or two today would be well beyond the means of people with what most consider a medium level income. I only wish my savings and other income had inflated in as much as fine wines.

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Salut/Hi Dana H. Myers,

le/on Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:40:33 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

99.5% of the planet's wine sells at under $70. Even gems such as "En Ovide" from K in Walla walla "only" cost me $60.

Dana, don't generalise about US prices, please.

If you read ANY french do a Google.fr search on Ch Lafite or on La Tache, or even on Penfold's Grange. See what prices people are asking on the open market. For that matter (and for an even more open market) go to Christie's of London Wine web site and see what fully mature bottles of the world's finest wines are being auctioned at.

Ian, I believe that you're misreading Dana's message (or maybe *I* am). What I think he's saying is that it's a red herring to compare $10 in

1970 to $10 today, because of inflation. Cwdjr's point is equally valid, though, that wine prices have (at least at the top) far outstripped the pace of inflation. The other side of the coin, though, is that IMO you can find far better wine at the low end in the US today than you could find for comparable price in 1970. I dunno if the same could be said in France or Italy, but I suspect that it's true there as well: the overall quality of VdP or VdT is far better now than in previous eras.

Mark Lipton

Hi G, These suggestions are from a guy who just like to try a lot of $10 or less grocery store available Chardonnays. I like the oaky California Chards.

Blackstone Chardonnay Gallo of Sonoma Chardonnay Camelot Chard

Enjoy. Chip L

Ian, two things:

1. You've completely misunderstood my point. _Cwdjr_ mentioned *US dollars* and the price of wine released in the *US*. From this I elected to respond in context; I inferred the time-frame of reference was the mid-1960s and responded that folks in the US - since we're talking about the US - had about 1/7th the money available then that they do today. Scaling prices for inflation would shift the " in the old days" price point to about today. This is all in the US, since that's what Cwdjr was talking about in the first place.

1. Your demand that I do not generalize about US prices is, at best, impolite.

Interestingly, you seem to support my actual point - that $70 *will* buy you everything but the very top wines of the world today.

What's your point? That's there's some expensive wine out there?

Cheers, Dana

Apparently I did not communicate well to Ian this time :-)

Of course, that's what I was attempting to assert.

Well, I suppose it depends on what you call "the top" wines. Certainly, I believe it is fair to say that the "luxury" market segment today did not exist in 1970. Wines identified with the luxury segment have certainly grown much faster in price than inflation.

Dana

Hi guys I must say there is no such thing as "Best wine". Like arts, wine appreciation is arbitrary. I don't suppose anybody can answer the following questions:

1) Which is the best song in the world? 2) Whcih is the best painting in the world? If I told you guys that the best white wine in the world is German Riesling, you would probably piss me off...right? No offence. Just a personal opinion. Ray

] Hi guys ] I must say there is no such thing as "Best wine". Like arts, wine ] appreciation is arbitrary. I don't suppose anybody can answer the following ] questions: ] 1) Which is the best song in the world?

Stayin' Alive! of course! :)

] 2) Whcih is the best painting in the world?

Da Mona! waddayamean?

] If I told you guys that the best white wine in the world is German Riesling, ] you would probably piss me off...right? ] No offence. Just a personal opinion. ] Ray ] []

I'm sure people took the question as "your favorites under $10." (I suppressed my initial response, which was along the lines of "Here in Swaziland we like Long Trail Bush Juice, a refreshing quaffer at 18 % !")

I'm also sure most everyone agrees with your evaluation that taste is subjective. :)

BTW, please killfile uc, most of us has, the guys a regular nuisance.

cheers,

-E

Emery Davis wrote........

Emery, now I know that you have never ventured through the back streets of Mbabane.

LTBJ is 81% and is neither refreshing nor a quaffer (oh you meant kaffir!!!!!)

Actually, a few years back I do remember staggering out of the casino in Mbabane several thousand lilangeni to the better (and lived to tell the tale) after a serious session on both LTBJ and a roulette table, to this day, I still believe because I was the only white skin in the place, and they were fattening me up for breakfast!!!!!!!

] Emery Davis wrote........ ] ] > "Here in Swaziland we like Long Trail Bush Juice, ] > a refreshing quaffer at 18 % !") ] >

] ] Emery, now I know that you have never ventured through the back streets of ] Mbabane. ] ] LTBJ is 81% and is neither refreshing nor a quaffer (oh you meant ] kaffir!!!!!) ]

Well, in order to qualify as "wine" here in europe, of course LTBJ must be cut with vinifera juice. Hence my error. Oh OK, I confess... :)

] Actually, a few years back I do remember staggering out of the casino in ] Mbabane several thousand lilangeni to the better (and lived to tell the ] tale) after a serious session on both LTBJ and a roulette table, to this ] day, I still believe because I was the only white skin in the place, and ] they were fattening me up for breakfast!!!!!!! ]

LOL! Someone was probably trying to figure out a way to distill you, to at least get a gas tank full! Or maybe you were over-marinaded? With those blood alcohol levels, spontaneous combustion couldn't be far away. :)

-E