Bordeaux

Bordeaux is a region of France, red wines from the region also called claret in the UK are blends of cabernet sauvignon, merlot, cabernet franc and malbec, whites are blends of sauvignon blanc & semillion. There are further appelations based on geography. Besides Bordeaux and Bordeaux Superior. there is the Medoc one one side of the Gironde River and the Haut Medoc the northern part of that. The Haut Medoc is split into communes of St Estephe, Pauilliac, Marguax and Graves. On the other side of the Gironde the Right Bank are St Emilion and Pomorol further out are the satellite communes of Bourg, Blaye and Lalande de Pomerol. I may have left a few appellations out, but I'm sure there will be other posts.

Joe, Joe, Joe...

and petit verdot

The Haut Médoc is the southern portion of the Médoc.

The Haut-Médoc contains the communes of St. Estèphe, Pauillac, St. Julien, Listrac, Moulis and Margaux (going from N to S) but also contains vineyards that lie outside of the communes. Graves lies further to the South, outside of the Haut-Médoc.

Fronsac and Côtes de Castillon for instance, and then there's Entre-Deux-Mers and the sweet wine appelations of Sauternes and Barsac.

Mark Lipton

IOW, on the same side of the Gironde as Medoc...

I would at least include Canon Fronsac in the appellations worthy of interest...

I would not leave out Ste Croix du Mont for some very pleasant sweets from the other side of the Garonne

Mike

and carmenère

(At least in theory. In practice, malbec & carmenère play no role at all.)

Graves is not a commune, but comprises several; the best part of northern Graves has its own appellation, Pessac-Léognan.

The Haut Médoc comprises many more communes (Ludon, Arsac, Cantenac, St-Laurent, St-Sauveur, Macau ...); those you have mentioned are privileged by having their own appellation. And one should know that the appellation Margaux comprises more communes than just Margaux: Cantenac, Labarde, Soussans & Arsac (or parts thereof).

there are well over 30 different Bordeaux appellations in the Gironde (the name of the département), some overlapping, some being an umbrella covering the entire region, as "Bordeaux" & "Bordeaux Supérieur".

M.

I didn't miss anything, since I did not comment Joe Beppe's posting, but Mark's.

M.

Correct.

Correct: Clerc-Milon (formerly known as Clerc-Milon Mondon), and Armailhac (formerly known as Mouton Baronne Philippe formerly known as Mouton Baron Philippe formerly known as Mouton d'Armailhac formerly known as d'Armailhac).

True, except for the fact that Mouton-Cadet today is a whole range of wines: white, red, rosé, and there is also a "Mouton Cadet Réserve" range.

Absolutely not. That was true back in the 1930s, but at least since 1945, iirc, Mouton-Cadet is plain AOC Bordeaux. I have never seen a label with another appellation, not even on a photograph.

There is another range where you're right: There is a "Pauillac Baron Philippe" (as there is Médoc, St-Emilion, Pomerol, Sauternes et al.), but that is not "Mouton-Cadet".

For details take a look:

M.

Are you sure Ian? I thought Mouton Cadet was generic Bordeaux, with the Reserve having the Medoc appelation. I think that Pauillac might be on the label, but in little letters- just an address (just as my CdRs from Voge and Clape say Cornas, and my Lafarge Bourgogne Rouge Volnay). Dale

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Don't think so.

And Graves.

Could be, since 33250 Pauillac is the official siege of the company ("POB 117", btw). The premises of "Les Vins Baron Philippe de Rotnschild S.A." (formerly known as "La Baronnie" formerly known as "La Bergerie") is in St-Laurent. From the outside it looks like the crossing of an ultra modern dairy with a spaceship or computer production site.

M.

Salut/Hi Michael Pronay,

le/on 24 Jul 2003 13:00:42 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

Thanks - I have to admit I steer very clear of the stuff, so I'm almost entirely ignorant of what it is and what they make! Other than what I sort of remember reading.

Thanks VERY much for the correction. I'll try to remember in future.

Thanks.

;-)

M.