[FAQ] 3k. the Rhone Valley?

Dec 07, 2006 15 Replies

What follows is a preliminary draft of a travel section on the Rhone Valley. In particular, more dining and lodging recommendations would be welcome (Joseph? Emery?) As always, all comments welcomed.


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3k. The Rhone Valley? The Rhone Valley is a long stretch alongside the Rhone River, from immediately south of Lyon to just north of the Mediterranean Sea. This vast stretch of wine country is typically subdivided into two regions: the Northern Rhone, running from Vienne in the North to Valence and producing mostly red wines made from Syrah and white wines made from either Viognier or Marsanne; and the Southern Rhone, taking in an area extending ca. 12 mi to the north and south of Orange, and featuring both red and white wines made from a complex mixture of grapes (up to 13 for the red wines) but most famous for its Grenache. Most winemakers in this region are also farmers, so don’t expect tasting rooms staffed with employees: usually, it’s the winemaker or their family pouring your wines. For that reason, it’s a good idea to call ahead of time for an appointment.

Wineries:



Northern Rhone



Thierry Allemand (Cornas) – A superstar making supple Syrah from Cornas Mathilde & Yves Gangloff (Condrieu) – Great Condrieu and Cote-Rotie Pierre Gaillard (Malleval) – Condrieu, Cote-Rotie and St. Joseph, all good Jamet (Ampuis) – Fantastic Cote-Rotie from the Jamet brothers Marcel Juge (Cornas) – Traditional Cornas from an old master Michel Ogier (Ampuis) – Great Cote-Rotie and VDP Syrah François Villard (St. Michel) – Great Condrieu, now also Cote-Rotie and VDP Syrah



Southern Rhone



Beaurenard (CdP) – Traditional CdP, oaky luxury cuvee, good CdR and Rasteau, too Bosquet des Papes (CdP) – Honest and traditional Chateauneuf, still reasonably priced Clos des Cazaux (Vacqueyras) – More rustic wine than Chateauneuf Clos des Papes (CdP) – Traditional Chateauneufs from the Avril family Domaine Durban (Beaumes de Venise) – Great sweet Muscat and beautiful views Font de Michelle (Bedarrides) – Refined CdP, fine whites, friendly winemakers Dom. la Garrigue (Gigondas) – Located on the grounds of the Les Florets restaurant Grand Tinel (CdP) – Good value, classic style of CdP; ask about their table wine Domaine du Pegau (CdP) – Traditional, powerful CdP, English spoken here Roger Perrin (Orange) – Best deal in CdP, fabulous in a good year with terrific depth, declassified CdP sold in bulk Vieux Telegraphe (Bedarrides) – Very traditional and famous red and white CdP, now quite pricey



Dining:



Les Florets (Gigondas) – Great food, winery on premises



Lodging:


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Mark Lipton


Yvec Cuilleron (Condrieu, Cote Rotie) - Part of the Cuilleron Gaillard Villard trio, makes great Condrieu on his own, the oak is there but well integrated Alain Graillot (Hermitage, St Joseph) - Best value in Crozes. Jean Louis Chave (Hermitage, St Joseph) - Finest Hermitage from a very old winery, exciting, ripe wines with a non-interventionist approach Chapoutier - Large biodynamic winery with fabulous Hermitage

Catheau Rayas (CdP) - a living legend in CdP Domaine de Villeneuve (CdP) - The great winery of Philippe Du Roy De Blicquy Domaine de Beaucastel (CdP) - top CdP with a penchant for mourvèdre... Domaine de Marcoux (CdP) - expensive but one of the best CdP, biodynamic Clos Mont Olivet (CdP) - Thierry Sabon offers the best value for money,

11 euro gets you beautiful CdP, add 50% to get some really old vintages. Domaine de la Janasse (CdP) - the best whites in CdP Domaine Gourt de Mautens (Rasteau) - powerful deep reds snce 2002 developing great elegance Domaine Gramenon (CdR) - great syrah in the "vin naturel" style Cave d'Estezargues (CdR) - one of the (rare) really good cooperatives, great value, excellent wines also available in 5l box. Domaine de la Mordoree (Lirac, Tavel, CdP) - rich CdP and fresh lively rosés

Le Chaudron (Tournon) - Across the bridge from Tain l'Hermitage, a favourite haunt of the local winemakers, great food at a reasonable price and local wines by the glass

La Beaugravière (Mondragon) - Not far from Orange, a very good restaurant with one of the most interesting wine cellars in France and certainly the best in the Rhone. Where else could you find sweet white Chateau Rayas Grand Cru 1955? Huge selection of Chateauneuf (Rayas, Marcoux, Beaucastel) and Hermitage.

Maison Borie (Lyon) - the new restaurant of Manuel Viron, formerly ran the Cote Rotie in Ampuis, now brings his talents and his cellar to Lyon on the banks of the Rhone. Two sommeliers are required to manage all that wine. Wonderful decor, very original beautiful dining room in the Mouche area (where Paris' "bateau-mouche" were first built) close to the Espace Garnier (where all things hip happen in Lyon), inventive delicious cuisine with friendly service.

La Pyramide (Vienne) - two star ancient restaurant with a cuisine that is both traditional and inventive, by Patrick Henriroux

Le Prieuré (Villeneuve les Avignon) - one star and excellent cuisine

Mas de la Marteliere (Le Thor) - Bed & Breakfast and Table d'Hote with swimming pool, very welcoming, Patrick and Annick Laget are wine lovers and will make you feel at home a few miles from CdP.

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L'Aube Safran (Le Barroux) - In the heart of Vacqueyras Gigondas area, with a magnificent view of the Dentelle de Montmirail and a swimming pool, a stylish Bed & Breakfast expertly run by Françoise and François Pillet who are also saffron growers and great cooks.

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Le Prieuré (Villeneuve les Avignon) - beautiful ancient priory with comfortable rooms and a great restaurant.

Many thanks, Mike! One question: these are recommendations specifically for visiting, so were all your names places that you'd recommend people to visit? I ask because Rayas had a long-standiing reputation for not welcoming visitors and I've heard that it's hard to get an appointment with Chave, too.

Thanks again, Mark Lipton

True Rayas is "caractériel" but ca nbe done with preparation, best organize with the federatrion des producteurs, I have a friend there who sems to work miracles.

Joe "Beppe"Rosenberg skrev i

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Gigondas Dom. Du Grapillon d'Or .... nice tasting facilities, good QPR Dom. Varenne. Look for the 'Gigondas Fût Chene' Dom. Brusset, Cairanne. Their Les Hauts de Montmirail is good.

Pierre Lionet, Cornas. Cosy little place and a lot of hospitality from the family.

I think that Cave de Tain, Hermitage should be included in the list. Broad selection at reasonable prices.

regards Jan

Additional Northern Rhone Wineries;

  • Paul Jaboulet, Tain-Hermitage
  • Chappoulet, tain-Hermitage

Additional Southern Rhone Wneries;

  • Cayron (Gigondas)
  • Montmirail (Gigondas)

Big round of applause for Les Florets and Domaine La Garrigue.

I will dig out my hotels from the area.

The restaurant (they have a few rooms as well) is in another location from the winery which is South of Gigondas a bit, Garrigue also makes a Vacqueyras.

Seems to me the southern Rhone extends over a much larger area than you propose. It goes all the way to Montelimar in the north, Nyons in the east, and extends into the Gard (and of course the Ardeche) in the west. Maybe that's only 12 miles north, I've not measured!

I'd add a couple of "incontournables:" La Soumade in Rasteau, still terrific quality even if some have gotten too pricey, and of course one of the finest Rasteau VDN rouge; and in Cairanne the very fine makers Marcel Richaud and Corinne Couturier (Rabasse-Charavin), who's Cuvée Estevenas practically defines the appellation.

Also there is a good coop in Rasteau and a really excellent one in Beaumes de Venise, both for red and muscat.

I agree Rayas is not for the average tourist, even those elect reading our faq.

Can't help much, I've always had a place to stay in the area. Hmm, how about the Ch des Fines Roches in CdP? I think they're Relais et Chateaux. Decent restaurant, too. I'll give the resto question some more thought, should be able to come up with something.

-E

That would be Michel Chapoutier, that I already mentioned...

I would second that and add that St Joseph is in the neighborhood, don't know if anyone there has degustation but I would think they do.

As to hotel and restaurants, Lyon to the North and Avignon to the south are the best bets, but I do know a few in between, will respond with new thread later today.

JC

Sure it's not Montaccue?

scnr,

M.

Coursodon is a very good St Joseph producer, and a friendly visit. Familial operation, both son and daughter work (or worked) there.

I meant to second the Cave de Tain recommendation too, even though it's not my personal favorite place.

Might be worth pointing out that many Vacqueyras producers also make Gigondas, and vice versa. Clos des Cazaux also makes some very fine Gig. Jan, I must say I find Grapillon d'Or very ordinary, and surpassed by coop wines for less money. Sorry. However it does have the advantage of being widely available.

Hard to mention Gigondas without Montmirail (Archimbaud), a very reliable producer and a nice tasting facility at the office in town. Easy to find!

-E

Emery Davis skrev i snipped-for-privacy@loki.domain.org dette:

My notes says 8$ a bt. in '98 for vintage 96.

regards

Jan

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