Lunch with Emery D. in Chinon

That sounds like a great time, Santiago, as well as great wines. Luneau-Papin and Baudry find favor with several of us Loire-heads here on afw, in part because they are reliably imported by Louis/Dressner to the US. Speaking of such matters, do you know Marc Ollivier's Dom. de Pepiere in Muscadet? He's just released a new Muscadet, the '05 Granite de Clisson, made from a special site. On the basis of his other wines, I have very high hopes for this one.

Mark Lipton

Indeed, great to meet a fellow afwer and in particular Santiago, to whom I will remain indebted for many years for the introduction to Luneau-Papin.

Now, I have another debt, because although I was a client of Baudry throughout the 90s I confess I haven't tasted their wines for several years. And in fact, it turns out to have been by a little bit of a mischance that this happened: around 2000 I tasted a couple of his wines that had been made with new wood. I was really unhappy about this turn, and thinking tradition defied I moved on metaphorically. Well, it turns out that père et fils tried an experiment, and "we did not like the result so we stopped." You can't say fairer than that, and so I am delighted to rediscover these wines.

I didn't take notes but like Santiago I will mention Clos Guillot and Croix Boisé 2005, wines of fantastic concentration and purity, already approachable but a couple of years from apogee. (I intend to commit infanticide of a Guillot with friends tonight.) When Santiago and I didn't always agree (and who does when tasting?) we were recompensed as Matthieu pulled a '89 Domaine from the library, to support a point in the discussion of long term integration of brett. Fresh, young and fantastic, with a long future ahead even!

Santiago, too bad you missed Patrick Lambert afterwards, his 2004 ame d'antan

-- also at < 35 hl/ha -- was fantastic. A wine to convince you that a little animal is OK! :)

cheers,

-E

Mark Lipton wrote in news:fft0g6$sj$1 @mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu:

Mark,

no I have not tasted this wine by Marc Olivier, mostly because it is no imported into Spain. In fact, an import company that sometimes relies on my opinion to decide what to import, substituted wines by Marc Olivier by those of Pierre Luneau, not only because I have a long track with the wines of Luneau-Papin but because in the last Salon d'Angers in February, I preferred LP to MO by a mile. I know MO has a great basis of loyal customers, but I usually find a distracting component in their wines.

S.

Emery Davis wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@loki.domain.org:

You know, there is a story behind this. I had once a friend that worked in the wine industry and was so proud of discovering many particular wines. Nothing wrong with that (everyone has the right to speak well for himself), but I usually think the other way. Today, it is almost impossible to "discover a wine", because you always get to a wine because someone points you to it. It seems I was responsible for you to discover the wines of Luneau-Papin and I am glad for it.

But the origin of all this was the 2001 year, when my first trip to Angers took place. I entered a very small cave a vins in Angers and made a good friendship with his owner. I asked him for a couple of cases mixed and he included a bottle of this Muscadet in the lot.

Funnily enough, I did not speak a word of French them and he did not speak much English, so we communicated in quite a primitive way, as you can suppose.

But it worked perfectly and, so, year after year, I purchased many more cases of wines, always with wines of Pierre Luneau-Papin in the lot.

So, you were introduced to the wines of Pierre Luneau Papin because I was introduced to them six years ago by a small and great caviste. Hopefully, you will introduce someone into his wines and then Pierre and his family will get rewarded by their work.

And what a 89!!! best wine of the trip for me. I am salivating just by thinking about it.

But then, I had an appointment at a small cave in Angers where his owner made a selection of wines for me to enjoy back in Spain. Not much Loire this time, but some Collioure, some Jasnieres (!), Bandol, Marsannay... I still have to unpack the wines but, hey, it is going to be an interesting winter.

Best,

Santiago

Sorry Matt, must be my age !!!!!!

Of course, I meant Matt and Robin (Robyn; Robee)