Maps

Online?

And for detailed Burgundy map...

Perhaps it was not said as such but I think the poster was asking for opinions of good sites and insults are entirely inappropriate, IMO. Surely it can be assumed that almost everyone knows about Google!

You're obviously one of them.

Ed Jay (remove M to respond)

Try Art S's site, I recall he had great maps on it. I'm sure Kobrands site is useful but do may not include areas that they have no clients(smile).

Since you have gotten some good suggestions re: maps/online, I'll add that a small, inexpensive book, "The Wine Lover's Companion," by Ron Herbst & Sharon Tyler Herbst, ISBN 0-8120-1478-0 has a good map section in the back.

Hunt

Wonderful maps! Where did Kobrand get them? Are they from some reference?

Dimitri

Good maps, thanks Steve.

Another good set of Burgundy maps can be found at :

Of course, OP was asking re Bordeaux so my contribution isn't that helpful....

Except for the edification of others in the NG, like myself. Thanks for the info.

Hunt

"Krumme" skrev i en meddelelse news:d31g4e$2qo7$ snipped-for-privacy@newsbin.cybercity.dk...

Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/ chateaus grapefields.

And i have allready used google.

Regards

Krumme

I can tell you this map is absolutely deplorable, terrible:

It totally misses the Mornington Peninsula. As well as Gippsland. As well as other wineries residing outside the map.

This looks an awfully lot more instructive:

Although I notice a lot of wineries missing. But at least half of Victoria is not missing.

I think you will most like have to pay for maps that detailed. There will be sites on the internet where you can buy maps like that, but I doubt that you will find anything that detailed for free.

Mat.

Wow!! That's more detail than you're going to be able to find on the Web, certainly. Even the maps in Johnson and Robinson's "World Atlas of Wine" aren't *that* detailed. Without question, the most detailed maps I've seen are in the Hachette Atlas of French Wines & Vineyards, but even there I don't believe that they delineate property boundaries. You might perhaps be able to find a specialty volume on Bordeaux that would show all the property boundaries, but I am not aware of one.

Mark Lipton

Kobrand give you detail down to 1er cru vineyard level for some Burgundy villages.

As other people have said, you are generally not going to find that level of detail on the Web.

I've heard there are errors on the Champagne map too.

Moral: just because they look pretty doesn't mean they are good. I suspect it is about as good as it gets though for free wine maps on the web. Caveat emptor :-)

] ] "Krumme" skrev i en meddelelse ] news:d31g4e$2qo7$ snipped-for-privacy@newsbin.cybercity.dk... ] > Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine ] > producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc ] ] ] Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in ] the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really ] detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/ ] chateaus grapefields. ] ] And i have allready used google. ] ]

Krumme, you can get 1:25000 maps from the IGN:

The site's in french, but for example on the top page type "margaux" into the box "je m'interesse a" and you'll get some stuff. Of course they want to sell you maps, too, but for the level of detail that's not surprising.

To see where actual properties begin and end you need what's called "les plans cadastrals", which are a matter of public record, but as far as I know are not available online, they're kept at the mayors office of each commune. So to get this info you'd have to go to Margaux, then photocopy the lot. So not much good news there.

Anyway, hope ign helps some.

-E

Michelin sells some very detailed maps but I doubt if they include vineyards. I used them when traveling in Burgundy, the Rhone the Languedoc and the Riviera and Piemonte and they were much more accurate than AAA and other freebies. There is an excellent Atlas of German Wine by Hugh Johnson and Burton Anderson did one for Italy. I don't think these works have been updated recently.

Alexis Lichine's Guide to France has some decent maps as does Fadiman & Aarons the Joys of Wine which weighs 10 lbs and is hard to lug around. A smaller version the Wine Buyers Guide has lots of Wine Maps but like Lichine its the wine world circa 1977.

Broadbent's Bordeaux Atlas shows the vineyards of some selected (top) chateaux, maybe half a dozen in AOCs like St-Julien or Pauillac.

M.