One in four adults 'has a problem with drink'

actually, i believe alcohol is *most* often consumed for the buzz -- just like the rest of the drugs.

Perhaps, though I suspect not. In any case, my point was that no other drugs are consumed for the flavor.

Jose

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:19:51 GMT,Jose, wrote

How about Coffee? I liked the taste so much that I continue with decaffinated coffee beans just for the taste.

Then there is chocolate and that is drunk/eaten more for taste than for drug content. Not for nothing is it named "food of the Gods" though and you would have to have a very pure body before you could join the Gods on chocolate alone.

Alcoholic tinctures of opium aka Laudanum are fairly tasty as I recall from my several decades old experiences of tincture of paregoric.

Ethyl alcohol is not really all that tasty though some of the ways it is produced and diluted may add a worthwhile taste.

Of all the alcoholic beverages I have encountered I prefer the taste of sake' but I don't drink it because I have other business for my liver to deal with than ethanol.

As for your remarks I understand that their are several varieties of cannabis and that they taste/smell delightful to the users.

But drugs haven't been developed to be tasty as the powers that be have not allowed development of drugs along those lines confining the research to alcoholic beverages before the true and deadly nature of the drug was fully understood.

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-- bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed, the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning. It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion." --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.

Tea and coffee.

Of course alcohol...and for that matter caffeine...is a drug.

However, wine and coffee are a lot more than just the alcohol and caffeine content.

Put another way, I don't know of any websites dedicated to cocaine tasting notes or debating which heroin goes best with lobster.

For that matter, so what if it IS a drug. Drugs are not necessarily evil or bad; without them I would likely have died of a heart attack six years ago. SOME illegal drugs are instantly harmful, others are harmful if abused. Alcohol and caffeine are legal drugs that can have a beneficial effect (yup...a LITTLE red wine is actually good for my heart!) but which can be harmful if abused. This newsgroup isn't about abuse, it's about responsible use and enjoyment.

And as a final comment...the OP's definition of what constitutes a "problem" is skewed and one-sided.

Bob

It's not odourless or tasteless by a long way. It is pretty near colourless, though I can't remember if it does actually absorb any visible wavelenths.

Nick

My apologies, I didn't notice the doctored followups (commonplace when someone doesn't want to see anyone else contradicting their opinion)

I'd still have sided with you, as people who think wine is a food are even more likely to develop a problem without realising it, and far more likely to object to having it pointed out.

in their raw forms (coca leaf and opium), there may indeed be detectable and even pleasant tastes associated with them. indeed, the traditional way to use coca is by chewing the leaves. opium was usually smoked, and again probably has detectable tastes and aromas that vary.

there is a *lot* of similarity between wine and cannabis though -- there are actually *gourmet* varieties of cannabis and a huge vareity of strains grown to bring out specific aromas and tastes. it isn't *only* about geting high -- but it sure helps.

to what do you refer?

And booze is not really consumed for the flavour either.

The flavour is simply a way that alcoholics and boozers (wannabe alcoholics) can pretend to being selective. Its the effects that folks are drinking for, especially when they claim otherwise, but "being drunk" is not a socially acceptable "Brag" among supposedly responsible adults.

Once you start claiming booze tastes good, you're already hooked on the effects that alcohol induces and have already decided to drink more of it when time allows.

The reason for the "Flavour" gimmick of booze is quite simple really.

Any drug that is taken orally, as a "food" like substance - coffee, chocolate, sugar, vanilla, etc., is always "reknowned" for its taste, not its effect. Even tobacco was touted for its flavour, simply because it was an orally administered drug.

If heroin, cocaine and crack came in chewable tablets, or cookies, users would be arguing over the flavours of their fix and making claims for best tastes as well.

Its simply a lot more socially acceptable for self-intoxicators to brag about the flavour/quality of their fix, than it is for them to brag about the qualities of intoxication produced by their fix.

Only drunken kids brag about the level of their intoxication. Adults just say it tastes good.

In my opinion only of course. :)

GEM

Sugar, chocolate, vanilla, nutmeg, tobacco...

Didja know sugar was once only sold in pharmacies - as a sore throat soother I believe.

The book Sugar Blues, by William Dufty, traces the path of sugar through the modern world and details the enourmous number of health problems that follow immediately in its wake, in every nation it enters as a sweetener commodity.

Soda pop is the true Killer of Youth. :)

GEM

If these substances were not illegal and had been allowed social access for fifty year, you would definitely see numerous "quality testing" and "variety-comparison" sites and clubs.

However, neither cocain or heroin has any commercially acceptable flavours so the quality/variety would not deal with that aspect of the substance.

In order to have flavour as a quality, a substance must be taken orally in such a way as to be able to taste it.

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You had a point to make after all that I'm sure.

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Can we then assume that you are a dedicated drinker of boozes for their flavours?

GEM