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Ian, believe it or not I am going to take issue with some of your statements here. Firstly, I don't think that "interested" was asking for any high moral ground with that statement; rather, he makes a valid complaint: the airlines, who offer vegetarian and kosher meals upon request, do a very poor job with those meals [of course, they don't do a particularly good job with other meals, either, but they do usually put more effort into them].

Here again, I will take issue. It's not an either/or situation at a restaurant, Ian. Why shouldn't a restaurant be able to serve a meal that doesn't contain meat? Most restaurants I visit do have a few vegetarian dishes on the menu. After all, you not only cater to vegetarians (including those Buddhists, Hindus and Jainists who practice religious vegetarianism) but also orthodox Jews who can eat pareve and dairy meals, so you appeal to a fairly extensive group of people. And I would expect most restaurants to be able to serve a meal that didn't contain e.g. peanuts and peanut products to a patron who had a severe allergy to them.

However, I do agree with you that someone running a B&B is under no obligation to cater to vegetarians, and I would expect any reasonable veggie to ask ahead of time to find an establishment that would cater to their needs rather than assuming that they'll be accomodated without prior agreement. Also, I would not take issue with your position re vegans, as I see their needs as placing an undue burden on chefs, such that they should seek restaurants that explictly serve vegan food.

On this we are in entire agreement.

Mark Lipton

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If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?

Fred.

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Fred

] If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? ]

Chuckle. An oldie-but-goodie.

Although we have vegetarians "I'm on the top of the food chain, and I _like_ it that way!"

-E

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Emery Davis

Salut/Hi Mark Lipton,

le/on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:28:28 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

Entirely your right. However, I'm going to take refuge behind "the rules" and say that this is a subject which I'll gladly discuss with you face-to-face, but which is not on topic here!

Not the experience of my friend Michael Loo, who makes a point of asking for vegetarian or kosher food when travelling (>500k miles/year usually, so he's not inexperienced) by air, as he reckons to get a better meal.

Grin!

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Ian Hoare

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Hi Ian - as a non-meat, non-fish eater I can attest that the airlines I've travelled on (always in peasant class) serve abysmal food to people with special dietary requirements.

My only consolation is that flying friends who eat from the regular airline menus generally have the same complaint!

As for vegans' concern about the use of animal products in winemaking - my understanding is that they object not only to the faint possibility of residues but to the principle of any usage of animals (in broad terms) by humans. But I can't claim to speak on their behalf.

As for nitpicking about diet purity - I have an unspoken agreement with friends who are teetotallers (few admittedly), meat eaters, Halal eaters, Kosher eaters, vegans, coeliacs, diabetics etc. - I won't mock or criticise their diets and beliefs if they don't criticise mine.

As the old saying (Biblical?) goes: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." George Bernard Shaw added an important rider to this: "But make sure your tastes are the same."

Cheers! Martin

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Martin Field

There is little I can add to what Mark and MArtin already wrote.

Ian, you and I both live in France. When I invite someone for dinner, if they are French I assume they eat everything, since special diets here are so rare. When somebody DOES have a special requirement, they usually tell me beforehand; for example, we have a friend who gets violent reactions to wild mushrooms, and another that dislikes chocolate (incredible, I know).

OTOH if I am inviting a "foreigner", particularly if english or american, I usually ask if there are any dietary restrictions, and if I am intending on making something potentially unappealing to non-latins like rabbit, I ask if it is OK.

There is a third category, that includes nnewsgroup members like Mark Lipton, Ian Hoare and Nils Gustaf Lindgren, who gets lumped in with the locals. They eat EVERYTHING.

For instance, Nils a few weeks ago served potentially deadly giromitra esculenta. I did not ask him if he knew how to prepare them. They were heavenly with Alsace white Pinot Noir. And here we are, back to wine !

cheers all

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France email link

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He's an _alien_, Mike.

No, not _that_ kind of alien. I mean from Andromeda or the Smegman cluster or wherever. No earthling dislikes chocolate. It's genetic. ;^)

Wow! Sounds like I missed a great experience. I'm envious - particularly since you _survived_ it.

Is Nils also into fugu?

Tom S

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