stupid estimate of the day

Wow. It's hard to believe that anyone enough into wine to register on WineBid wouldn't also know something about finding retail prices on the Internet.

Mark Lipton

Hey what's wrong with a little profit, buy it online for 8.79 sell for

well, no bids last week, but lot came back this week with a $15 start- bidding's up to $20!

This wine is available for $8, there are about 40 places that have it under $10, yet people are bidding $20 PLUS VIG and shipping. Mind boggling.

PT Barnum said it best *sigh*

Mark Lipton

Interesting... I checked the Dr L in Norway and in Sweden. The Norwegian offer is a BiB, at a bottle price of 12.85USD (and taxes are steep!) - with

The Dr L is available in Germany too (to my surprise) in litre bottles at

I believe this is mostly an export brand for the Loosen company, likely adjusted to the different markets.

Anders

I'm interested in this adjustment, Anders. What is legally allowed for QbA? Addition of süßreserve? Chaptalization? Adjusting 8 g/l to 42.5 g/l is no small change!

Mark Lipton

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Oh, I did not mean that kind of adjustment :-), simply that different wines are being used for different markets. The various bottles should have different APNrs. Btw, the Swedish bottles have 10% alc, the Norwegian BiB's are at 8.5%.

Chaptalization is adding sugar before fermentation to achieve higher alcohol levels - süssreserve is adding sterilized unfermented grape juice after fermentation to increase sweetness. Both procedures would be legal afaik (with restrictions) but are little used today (for quality wine, that is). I have no idea whether the Loosen firm has done anything like that for this mass market product. Only thing we know that the label says Mosel and Riesling, so the juice is sourced from all over the valley (even some 15% from elsewhere) and then fermented and blended to taste. Anders

Only thing we know that the label says Mosel and

I was told by a WSET tutor some time ago that much of the grape for DrL is declassified stock from his more prestigious vineyards, some sub standard but some to simply restrict the output to maintain a premium price.

The uk version of DrL is 8%, and excellent value at around £7

PK

"pk" skrev i melding > I was told by a WSET tutor some time ago that much of the grape for DrL is

I've read earlier about this a couple of times, and at

Ah, the very same text is to be found at the Loosen website:

The Estate comprises 12.2 hectares which corresponds to 120.000 bottles a year, fairly large for a Mosel producer, but small for a world market. It would be interesting to know how much Dr. L is made every year :-) Anders

I'm sure there's some estate grapes (whether young vines, less well- situated plots, or whatever) but Dr L in US is very large volume, so would assume it's a tiny fraction of total. That said, there's nothing wrong with a good negoce wine at a good price, and last couple years I've found the Dr L (US version) a good value. In fact, I think I've liked it more than some of the Loosen estate wines, which tend towards the fruit cocktail/tropical fruit end of spectrum