TN: '73 Clos Ste. Hune, '00 Drouhin Chambolle, etc

Mar 19, 2006 6 Replies

So yesterday Betsy went to work, I did some errands, then prepared to take train into city. I opened a 1983 Leoville-Poyferre, and was worried that I got some TCA as I opened. But it seemed to blow off as I decanted, the wine was rather tight and brooding as I put back in bottle, but I felt ok re wine. I grabbed a Trimbach Gewurz and headed to the train. Took a subway to Lincoln Center, met Betsy at stage door. We took a leisurely walk through Central Park (caught the Delacorte clock's 5 PM show), and eventually arrived for our early reservation at Park Avenue Cafe.



Bob Ross, Jay Miller, Robin Garr, and Mary (Johnson?) arrived shortly thereafter, and we had a nice dinner with some nice wines:


1988 Bollinger R. D. Champagne Certainly a well-made wine, but further evidence to me that I'm happier with Champagne young (and in the lighter house styles). This seems ponderous and heavy to me (for me this is Ab not Fab), and the oxidative notes detract. C+ from me, but Bollys/Krug fans would rate higher, this is preference not quality issues.


1998 Trimbach "Seigneurs de Ribeaupierre" Gewürztraminer Pleasanty pungent nose, with flowers and litchi. Minerality and a litte herb on the finish. Tiny hint of RS. Excellent acidity for Gewurz (obviously a Gewurz is never going to be zippy, all I actually hope for is "not flabby", this has a pretty good verve to it), even after it warmed a bit. B+/A-


1986 Nikolaihof "Honifogl" Gruner Veltliner This had softer acidity that I expected, but was really quite nice. Opened with a green pea/peach nose, became more slate/mineral-driven with air. My initial impression was I liked more than its brother wine, a 1986 Nikolaihof Riesling that Jay had previously shared. There's a little white pepper , too. Revisited at end it was just too warm to see any evolution, just seemed fat and tired. B+


1973 Trimbach Clos Ste. Hune Riesling The problem with high expectations is there's no upside- or so I thought. I tried to keep my expectations in check, but no matter what this wine could meet those expectations! Fragrant petrolly nose, with layers of rocks, smoke, green apple, and grapefruit. Light but with a sense of strength, Jay uses the word "perfect" and I find nothing there to argue with. Revisited towards end of night it was fading a bit, but still very pleasant. Thanks Bob, this gets a solid A.


2000 Drouhin "Baudes" Chambolle-Musigny 1er Very pretty, and quite accessible. Pure black & red cherry fruit, a little earth and mushroom. Clean, pure, pleasurable. A-/B+


1983 Leoville Poyferre (St Julien) Damn. I (re)pull cork on this, get some cardboard. Pour a little, maybe it's ok pass it around. Swirl a bit, assaulted by damp cardboard. Should have gone with my initial impression and opened the backup bottle when I decanted. Did I say damn?


1995 Lafarge Clos des Chenes Volnay 1er Tight, hard, and tannic at first. Needs time. Some frantic swirling eventually coaxes out some black raspberry and cherry fruit. High in acid, I'd put these away for a long time. For now, B/B+


2000 Joliet "Clos de la Perrière" (Monopole) Fixin 1er I was very interested to try this, a producer I had not run across before. A little rustic, and quite tight at first. More structured than I expected. Opened towards end with some wild strawberries. This gets a B/B- last night, but probably is a better wine than that- last sip was definitely the best.



Nice lineup, but the people were even better than the Clos Ste. Hune.



A few random thoughts: Betsy's short ribs were quite excellent, my duck breast was overdone for my tastes. The accompanying duck ravioli was excellent, however. Nice sides of spinach and brussels sprouts, but I found the mushrooms a tad characterless. Desserts seemed to be big hits (Betsy had to leave early for a La Boheme, I carried her a strudel home, which she quite enjoyed at midnight).



Sometimes I try not to rock the boat. Last night I wished I had. As they were pouring the Champagne, the waiter suggested the plateau fruits de mer. I thought about questioning the cost, but didn't, as several people said that sounded good. It was good- lobster, oysters, clams, shrimp. But when bill came we basically paid 2-3X what we would have paid for individual appetizers. My personal vow is to never again order any special or waiter suggestion without questioning the cost.



One good thing about Park Avenue Cafe's corkage policy (no corkage if not on their list) is that they told Jay upfront that a $10/bottle gratuity for the waitstaff would be appreciated/expected. That's a nice solution to an issue that can perplex.



We had an interesting discussion over why one feels bad for bringing a corked or otherwise defective wine- afterall, I neither made the Poyferre nor its cork. My conclusion is simply that one is bringing gifts to share with one's friends, and wants to contribute. It's not competition, just doing ones part.


Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency



I have had several bottles of Clos Ste. Hune Riesling 1973 and a few remain. All bottles have been outstanding, and it is about as good as a dry Alsace Riesling gets. And this is not an isolated case. The 1971 and 1976 still are drinking well. Even the 1974 was much better than one might expect, but it should have been consumed many years ago. But, for my taste, Trimbach can even top Ste. Hune now and then. For example, their Cuvee Frederic Emile Selection de Grains Nobles 1989 Riesling is several steps up for me. However this is an entirely different style of wine more suited for the end of the meal, and comparing it with the bone dry usual Ste. Hune is really not very fair.

I can't afford CSH, but have loved each one I've tried, young or old. I've never had a CFE SGN, though a Vendange Tardive ('90? '89?) was excellent. Thanks

"DaleW" wrote in news:1142783389.622294.172380 @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

I think I have had this RD 1988 twice and none of them I thought it was worth the price. I did not have any chance to drink Grande Annèe from that year but all the GA vintages I have tasted (1992, 1996, 1997) I enjoyed them more than any R.D. (of which I have had 1988, 1990 and, I think,

1995).

All that said, I love the Pinot character in Bollinger's wines, but there are small producers such as Jean Lallement et Fils (Verzenay) that are made in quite a similar style at a fraction of the price.

S.

What, is there no A+ in your grading scale? Hardass!! :P

Given how the '88 is drinking right now, it'll be worth the wait (BTW, I've still got 5 bottles of the '88 sitting around -- coming to Chitown anytime in the near future?)

I sympathize, Dale. Having internalized the notion that bringing up price in a fine dining establishment is a tad gauche, I usually refrain from inquiring about the price of specials and just cross my fingers. Of course, I also try to frequent establishments that don't try to gouge their patrons.

Yes, I'd say that it's the disappointment of failing to please your friends that lies at the root of it all. Of course, there's also the disappointment of failing to please yourself, too. ;-)

Mark Lipton

I'm generally a partisan of blanc de blancs Champagnes, but I do also like pinot-driven ones, just not always as much. I'm definitely a fan of well-aged Champagnes. Reading your notes, plus the comments on Robin's board, I don't think your bottle was in great shape. I had the same wine recently and it was much fresher, though still markedly evolved.

My experience is that original disgorgements can be amazingly long-lived and that wines kept on their lees can live that way almost forever, but that wines that spend a long time on their lees don't last so well after they are disgorged. Unless there has been a recent round of releases, the '88 RDs are definitely getting long in the tooth in terms of time since disgorgement. Do you happen to know when this bottle was disgorged?

Even if it's starting to get old, I'm jealous. I've never had a GV that old. Theise says they live forever. I'd like to test that belief.

Yet again, I'm jealous. I've never had a CSH that old. CSH is probably my favorite dry riesling I've ever tasted. I'd love a shot at one that is fully mature. Ah...someday.

I've heard good things about this producer, but never had a chance to try. Thanks for the note. Even though most of the 2000s I've tried are pretty forward, I wouldn't be surprised by a bit of structure from Fixin. I'm always impressed with how well they stand up to Gevrey, often just losing out in terms of complexity and breed (and being huge winners on price).

Again. Thanks for the notes.

Jim

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