TN: dinner with the Liptons (Burg, Bdx, Rhne, Loire,Wachau etc)

Mark and Jean Lipton were in town, and Betsy and I were delighted to join them for dinner. A planned slight detour by Lincoln Center turned into a minor traffic nightmare, so we were a bit late getting to Cendrillon in SoHo. We arrived to find Mark, Jean, the real Jay Miller, and the renowned SFJoe (who I'd never met before) patiently waiting.

A nice assortment of wines followed. I was a tad out of sorts, and didn't take notes at the time, but following are some impressions. I will say the food at Cendrillon was excellent. I had an extraordinary goat curry with chutney and rice pancakes, followed by a tasty oxtail dish with an unusual fermented shrimp paste. Betsy had the lumpia, which I thought was like an egg roll (based on my one previous Filipino meal), but was more of a big wrap filled with veggies. Her main was very good shortribs with an excellent sauce. We brought most of our wines, but list was VERY interesting and well-priced for NY.

The white wines:

1964 Huet Vouvray Sec This was actually a petillant, though label said Sec not Brut. Some petillance remaining, baked apples and lemon, good length, very interesting wine. B+/B

1991 Alzinger "Durnsteiner Hollerin" Riesling Smaragd I found this a delightful surprise. From an "off" vintage, proof that good producers make good wine. In this case very good wine. Lighter than any Wachau Smaragd I've run across, sprightly wine with apple, peach, and ginger flavors. Delicate hints of petrol, though on a revisit later in night that was even less apparent. I quite enjoyed this. B+/A-

1998 Franz Hirtzberger "Singerriedel" Riesling Smaragd Much bigger Riesling. Dry, but with a ripe fruit profile. Peach, honey, apricot. Some earth and smoke notes. Powerful, good, but I think I preferred the Alzinger from a lesser vintage overall. B+

2002 Puffeney Arbois Savagnin Wild nose that reminds me of dried mushrooms with a hint of overripe sheeps cheese, not quite like anything I ever smelled before. Palate is much more conventional, rather easy drinking, though edging on hot. I think others liked more than I did, I found the nose intriguing, but not inviting. To be a true geek maybe one has to learn to love oddball wines like this (and Vin Jaune, and obscure Sherries), but I'll just remain a bystander. Nice to watch, but not my fave to drink. B-/C+

1996 Soucherie "Clos des Perrieres" Savennieres My other contribution. Very muted at first, almost dilute. Picks up weight and flavor with time. Apple, wax, and lemon rind, good acidity, nice wine. I like, but don't find the depth I had in '96 Closel or even the regular Baumard (good bottles). B

The red wines

1978 Haut-Bailly I think this is the 3rd time I've had one of these from Jay's stash. Jay thinks this bottle substandard, but I quite enjoyed (especially at end of evening). Not at all a blockbuster, some might find thin, but I found elegant and balanced. Good acidity, bright red-toned fruit, lots of cedar and tobacco aromas. Maybe could use a lighter more density and length, but a very nice wine with food. B+

1998 Drouhin "Clos des Chenes" Volnay This is showing a tad rough and coarse right now. Big, good dark berry fruit, high acidity, some tannins. I think this is probably the best wine we had this night, but really not ready, and less fun to taste now. Everyone keeps saying the '98s are drinking well, but I keep thinking they need more time. This night this one is a B/B-. Bet in

5-10 I'll be thinking a variance on an A.

1998 Grivot Vosne-Romanee OK, so here is a '98 that is drinking ok. Clean cherry fruit, a little hint of kirsch (though not at all overripe), some spice. Not a big wine, but a nice dinner companion. B/B+

1997 Ogier Cote-Rotie I think I liked this more than others. Friendly puppy dog of a Northern Rhone, round blackberry and cherry fruit, some smoked meat and floral notes. Ferric/mineral edge on finish, very good. B+/A-

Fun night, even if I was beat. Nice to see Mark, Jean, and Jay again, good to meet Joe. I liked lots of the wines, and loved the food. The owner/chef joined us for a few tastes, and there was no corkage charge on the bill. Even with a lavish tip it was a fairly cheap evening. I'll be back to the restaurant (as I noted, nice list).

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

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DaleW
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oh yeah, and a '95 Luneau-Papin L' d'Or was corked. :(

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DaleW

FWIW, I opened a 1998 Girardin Bonnes Mares last night and it could use a little more time although it did improve in the glass substantially. Sounds like a fun night!

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Jean (who actually doesn't share my last name except in social circles) was speaking at NYU on Friday, so we decided to turn it into a family outing to NYC. Dale and Betsy were nice enough to venture into the wilds of Manhattan on a Saturday to meet us for dinner, along with a few other friends. Having dined at their home in the distant past, Jean and I were eager to renew the acquaintance and go out for a nice meal at the same time.

Dale and I happened to order the same items, and I agree with his assessment. I also tasted Jean's appetizer of pork belly in a bun (good) and a black rice paella (good, but not sensational). I'd go back in an instant for the goat curry alone, though. And that wine list was fantastic.

I haven't had much experience with older Chenin, and when I first smelled it I asked my companions if it was corked, to which these knowlegable Cheninophiles remarked that it wasn't corked, but just smelled close to it. With that in mind, I eventually decided that the smell was bergamot. Very lovely on the palate, bright and lively with enough fruit to keep my interest.

Quite light and a bit less austere than I've come to expect from Wachau Rieslings. Nicely mineral nose, and good stone fruit rith lively acidity on the palate. A great match with the goat curry, I thought.

I was floored by this wine. The redoubtable SFJoe explained that Singerriedel got a bit of botrytis in '98 and it showed, both in the remarkable orange tint to the wine and its powerful nose of honey and apricot. A hint of petrol got through, however, to remind us that it was Riesling after all. This also went fabulously with the goat curry, I felt. Thanks, Dale!

If ever a wine should be damned with the faint praise of an "intellectual" wine, this is it. Wow, a nose of acetaldehyde vivid enough to pickle you, with some maple syrup lurking in the background. Very oxidative in nature, it tasted much like a Sherry, but without the clarity of character of a true Sherry. Jean quipped that, with all the acetaldehyde character, that it was a wine designed to give you a hangover. Interesting, but not something that I'd go out of my way for.

As wonderful an event as this meal was, we ended up with 10 wines on the table and only six people eating! I was starting to feel a bit overwhelmed, and I'm afraid that this wine was a victim. Fortunately, I took it home with us that night and sampled it again in the calm of the late evening. Not as acidic as I've come to expect from Savenierres, but nice Chenin character, with that lanolin thing. I don't have enough experience with '96 Savenierres to comment, but it was a lovely wine. Thanks again, Dale!

Elegant and balanced describe this wine well. A great nose of tobacco and pencil lead. Jay worries that it'll fall apart quickly, but I see no signs of that. A bit of a tough match with the cuisine, though.

This wine might get better, but I like it a lot now. Medium-light weight, good berry fruit, excellent balance.

To me, this wine was blockier than the Drouhin and didn't fare well in the comparison. Some pencil lead and cherry fruit, medium body. Nice enough, but no better.

Again, I got to this only at the end of the meal so Dale didn't get to hear my reaction to it. I found it to be one of the cleanest Cote-Roties I've had, with a smoky nose that wasn't at all of the bacon fat variety. Squeaky-clean Syrah berry fruit medium weight with some mineral notes. Another wine I brought back with me, it showed well for hours afterward. Not profound, but exactly what I'd hoped for when bringing it to the dinner.

Agreed on all fronts. It was a great evening of food, wine and conversation and it was a pleasure to see old friends and make a new one. With luck, we'll return to NYC again before another 5 years have passed. And next time, Andrew joins us (lets hope!). Thanks again for making time to join us, Dale.

Mark Lipton

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Mark Lipton

Yeah, Betsy isn't Williams either, but I took a flyer. :)

I always say CB gets more false TCA flags thrown on opening than any other variety.

Sounds like we're on same page!

�A bit of a tough match with the cuisine, though.

It went quite well with a little of Betsy's shortribs

Would love to meet him! Thanks for invite.

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DaleW

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