TN: Rudesheimer Berg Roseneck Riesling Spatlese 1976 Staatsweinguter

I had only one bottle of Rudesheimer Berg Roseneck Riesling Spatlese

1976, Verwaltung der Staatsweinguter, Eltville. There were no fill or cork issues.

The color is bright gold. The bouquet is extremely intense with only moderate old Riesling character. The bouquet and taste remind me of very ripe white peaches with some mixed floral character with mixed spices reminding me of those in pickled peaches, but without any vinegar character. There also was honey. The wine was rather sweet. In most other years, I would bet this wine was an auslese if served blind.

In fact there was so much auslese and above in 1976 that some are rumored to have sold some of their wine entitled to be called auslese as spatlese just so they would have some spatlese to sell. So far as I can determine, this would be quite legal in 1976. There are certain minimum sugar contents, etc that must be met at the various quality levels, but there seems to be no restriction in labeling a wine entitled to be an auslese as a spatlese, since it exceeds the minimum sugar, etc allowed for a spatlese. Of course I have no way to know if that was the case for this wine.

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The above is correct to my knowledge too. The current habit of downclassing (labeling lower than actual amount of sugar in the juice) was not very widespread then - but nor was it illegal, and I seem to recall vintners telling they did so that year.

Another reason for such downclassing is to offer a wine well positioned to be considered as 'better' than others of same labeling...

Anders

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Anders Tørneskog

Nice notes. Is there one that more state winery in Rheingau- Verwaltung der Staatsweinguter doesn't look familiar, though I know I have had wines from state winery? As Anders states, I think now and then one only has to meet the minimums, no upper oechsle limit./

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DaleW

-The English translation of "Verwaltung der Staatsweinguter, Eltville"

-means that the wine is produced by the State Wine Domain which is

-located in Eltville. The question then becomes if there are other

-State Domains in the Rheingau than the one at Eltville.

It is a bit more complicated... Firstly "Verwaltung" means "Management" and Staatsweingüter is a plural... From 1918 to 1998 this above organization (named so in 1939), located in Eltville, was responsible for the state wineries (Domäneweingüter) at Assmannshausen, Hattenheim-Erbach, Hochheim, Rüdesheim-Eibingen, Steinberg and the state bottlers at Kloster Eberbach, Hochheim, Rüdesheim and Wiesbaden. By 1978 the new cellars at Eltville replaced several of the other bottling operations. (Domänekellereien)

So by 1998 this was renamed Hessische Staatsweingüter GmbH Kloster Eberbach with a goal of becoming a commercially viable operation, now comprising the state wineries of Assmannshausen, Rüdesheim, Steinberg-Hattenheim, Rauenthal (Rauenthal und Wiesbadener Neroberg), Hochheim, Bensheim und Kloster Eberbach. The Kloster Eberbach by itself was made a foundation with a goal of maintaining the historical buildings and using them for public benefit as well as for the state wineries.

And yes, there are others in other states - Fürstliches Castell'sches Domänenamt in Franconia Gut Hermannsberg (used to be Staatliche Weinbaudomäne Niederhausen-Schloßböckelheim) in Nahe Sächsisches Staatsweingut Schloss Wackerbarth in Saxonia Staatlicher Hofkeller Würzburg in Franconia Staatliche Weinbaudomäne Oppenheim in Rhineland-Palatinate Staatliche Weinbaudomäne Trier in Mosel Staatsweingut Bad Kreuznach in Nahe Staatsweingut Freiburg in Baden Staatsweingut Meersburg in Bodensee Staatsweingut Mosel in Bernkastel Staatsweingut mit Johannitergut Neustadt-Mußbach a.d. Weinstraße in Rhineland-Palatinate Staatsweingut Weinsberg in Baden Weinbaudomäne Schloss Johannisberg in Rheingau

The Staatsweingut Mosel in Bernkastel puzzles me, I've been in Bernkastel several times and never heard of it... :-) Go to do something about that!

Anders

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Anders Tørneskog

Ouch....!

Oppenheim is Rhine-Hesse, of course

:-) Anders

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Anders Tørneskog

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